If slavery never happened

[Serenity82]

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We are not africans. We are not slaves, we are not all descendents of slaves. Give it a rest, get some self-esteem and stop giving white people so much power over us MY GOD!

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here we go again. you are not a descendant of slaves? can you prove it? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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What's your aim with your hateful posts? I don't know anything about slavery and my parents nor grandparents nor great grandparents were not slaves. I know about the now and our rich cultures, beautiful people, good food and african-derived traditions. Why should slavery be dwelled on and how white people think and treat us be so important.

[Serenity82]

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how do you imagine your life would be today?

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Are you of african descent/ Some of your opinions scare me. I sniff the awful scent of confusion and self hate. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70459-hugs.gif[/img]

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no thanks for the welcome into your black self-haters club. one thing me haffu tell you, there is no shame in being black and try being objective sometimes

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Yeah right. The more you post the more I highly doubt you are black!

[rufian]

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...Talking about slavery and africa as some mythic land and africans as mythic people doesn't help us at all! Is it really that hard to see that?

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same smaddi weh say africans are the most ambitious and intellegent people dem ever meet [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Are you black? Yes, africans are among the most ambitious and kind people I've met. What are you after hear? When did you learn to speak patwa? If you are black, you have some SERIOUS self-hate and confusion issues you need to deal with before you post topics like this.

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me doing fine aint it? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] I am trying to tell you that i am white and yes me learn patwa online about 1 yr ago, they have a nice patois dictionary. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img]
gyal yu beat me imagination. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70392-silly.gif[/img] but you are a perfect example of the ill-effects of slavery

[rufian]

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We are not africans. We are not slaves, we are not all descendents of slaves. Give it a rest, get some self-esteem and stop giving white people so much power over us MY GOD!

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here we go again. you are not a descendant of slaves? can you prove it? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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What's your aim with your hateful posts? I don't know anything about slavery and my parents nor grandparents nor great grandparents were not slaves. I know about the now and our rich cultures, beautiful people, good food and african-derived traditions. Why should slavery be dwelled on and how white people think and treat us be so important.

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Seveen said the same thing. your great-grandparent(s) lived in slave like conditions and your great-great-grandparents were definitely slaves. How soon we forget the past. If you never look at the past, you might as well forget the future.

[rufian]

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Speaking of books, the novel "Things fall apart" is interesting to read. I haven't read all of it. But it shows that when the Europeans sat foot on Africa, a massive culture genocide took place apart from slavery.

[Blackstar*]

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and today the genocide we are experiencing in dafar and the sudan - are black on black crimes <font color="purple"> Seveen, I don't think so. Even though some of the Arabs "look" black, they would take issue to that and because they don't have the total package (thicker lips, dark brown skin, tight curly hair, etc) they do not consider them to be anything close to Black. At least that's my impression when talking to Arabs in the Detroit area..."** </font>

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That's self-hatred, Una.

[rufian]

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and today the genocide we are experiencing in dafar and the sudan - are black on black crimes <font color="purple"> Seveen, I don't think so. Even though some of the Arabs "look" black, they would take issue to that and because they don't have the total package (thicker lips, dark brown skin, tight curly hair, etc) they do not consider them to be anything close to Black. At least that's my impression when talking to Arabs in the Detroit area..."** </font>

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That's self-hatred, Una.

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but what is the solution to this blackstar? they have been living for centuries amongst each other and upheld their differences. The issue of black on black crime is our terminology and not their's. To some extent I can understand them because amongst ourselves, the little touch of a lighter tone makes a black person feels that they are white, it is the white people who don't accept this. We should also say that the white people hate themselves for not accepting this whiteness as a similarity.
For me anywhere you put it, if a mixed person is not embracing all of his background then he hates a part of himself. Skin colour and shared relations might be the only thing between the two groups. but is this enough to not see any difference? what about language, norms, religion and everything which makes up the individual?
Are Arabs black?
There are also indians who should identify with blacks or are they excused because they don't live in Africa?
Maybe we should teach dem how to see colour as an argument to stick together and that they should also learn the one-drop rule. I can't see these two groups as one. But the whole thing ridiculous all the same.
Division exist amongst Arabs as it is, why is there a need for further stratification?

[Q3210]

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Am I right in saying that by way of the transatlantic slave era, most if not all of us have gained opportunity and have benefitted by what foreparents lived and died for in those traumatic days?

[rufian]

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To see with you.
We had losses too right?
Just give me an example of what you mean by gain opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

[Blackstar*]

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but what is the solution to this blackstar? they have been living for centuries amongst each other and upheld their differences. The issue of black on black crime is our terminology and not their's. To some extent I can understand them because amongst ourselves, the little touch of a lighter tone makes a black person feels that they are white, it is the white people who don't accept this. We should also say that the white people hate themselves for not accepting this whiteness as a similarity.
For me anywhere you put it, if a mixed person is not embracing all of his background then he hates a part of himself. Skin colour and shared relations might be the only thing between the two groups. but is this enough to not see any difference? what about language, norms, religion and everything which makes up the individual?
Are Arabs black?
There are also indians who should identify with blacks or are they excused because they don't live in Africa?
Maybe we should teach dem how to see colour as an argument to stick together and that they should also learn the one-drop rule. I can't see these two groups as one. But the whole thing ridiculous all the same.
Division exist amongst Arabs as it is, why is there a need for further stratification?

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I agree with you, sukuna. I think the "fear" that black people in the Americas have is that if individuals are not "pressured" by society to acknowledge their black heritage, many would renounce it, i.e. those who "pass" as white and Arabs who deny their black heritage.

On the one hand, I do think it has nothing to do with anyone what people want to call themselves or which part of their heritage they wish to celebrate. On the other hand, maybe black people will disappear.

[una nina]

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and today the genocide we are experiencing in dafar and the sudan - are black on black crimes <font color="purple"> Seveen, I don't think so. Even though some of the Arabs "look" black, they would take issue to that and because they don't have the total package (thicker lips, dark brown skin, tight curly hair, etc) they do not consider them to be anything close to Black. At least that's my impression when talking to Arabs in the Detroit area..."** </font>

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That's self-hatred, Una.

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How so?

[rufian]

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but what is the solution to this blackstar? they have been living for centuries amongst each other and upheld their differences. The issue of black on black crime is our terminology and not their's. To some extent I can understand them because amongst ourselves, the little touch of a lighter tone makes a black person feels that they are white, it is the white people who don't accept this. We should also say that the white people hate themselves for not accepting this whiteness as a similarity.
For me anywhere you put it, if a mixed person is not embracing all of his background then he hates a part of himself. Skin colour and shared relations might be the only thing between the two groups. but is this enough to not see any difference? what about language, norms, religion and everything which makes up the individual?
Are Arabs black?
There are also indians who should identify with blacks or are they excused because they don't live in Africa?
Maybe we should teach dem how to see colour as an argument to stick together and that they should also learn the one-drop rule. I can't see these two groups as one. But the whole thing ridiculous all the same.
Division exist amongst Arabs as it is, why is there a need for further stratification?

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I agree with you, sukuna. I think the "fear" that black people in the Americas have is that if individuals are not "pressured" by society to acknowledge their black heritage, many would renounce it, i.e. those who "pass" as white and Arabs who deny their black heritage.

On the one hand, I do think it has nothing to do with anyone what people want to call themselves or which part of their heritage they wish to celebrate. On the other hand, maybe black people will disappear.

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it is everybody's business. the soceity in which the individual lives define his identity. all individuals who do not want to adhere to soceity's definition of his person will be excluded or even end up ina madhouse [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

[una nina]

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BLACKSTAR ONLY, PLEASE!

[Serenity82]

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To see with you.
We had losses too right?
Just give me an example of what you mean by gain opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

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DOES THIS IDIOT REALLY SEE A BENEFIT IN THIS DISCUSSION?

what in God's name?

[una nina]

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To see with you.
We had losses too right?
Just give me an example of what you mean by gain opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?

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DOES THIS IDIOT REALLY SEE A BENEFIT IN THIS DISCUSSION?

what in God's name?

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Serenity, easy now. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70388-shameonyou.gif[/img]