Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

[blugiant]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tropicana yu neva hear bout mzungu homosexual church wey moas aff dem memba iss middle age homosexual menn openinn ann finacinn da homosexual movement inn ja. ask yuself y ann woo dem middle age homosexual menn targetinn given dem histaree.

soo iff mii affii choose mii prefer dem olda mzungu oomen cah dem spread less std dan dem mzungu men </div></div>

just test them blu...then you can poke them til the cows come home. </div></div>

loops mii wukk widd moaslee mzungu oomen soo iff mii wanted too mii cood. still dat natt mii ting

[loops]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ms_DG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do people keep bringing up white people and sex tourism? I think it happens in all races not just white. </div></div>

tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. soo please tell mii oww itt appen equallee inn awl race given dat deer iss more blakk dan mzungu, given dat deer iss more asian dan mzungu. wen itt appen equallee den mii will keep qwiet pon itt

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so the exploitation doesn't bother you? just the inequity?

interesting....

[loops]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tropicana yu neva hear bout mzungu homosexual church wey moas aff dem memba iss middle age homosexual menn openinn ann finacinn da homosexual movement inn ja. ask yuself y ann woo dem middle age homosexual menn targetinn given dem histaree.

soo iff mii affii choose mii prefer dem olda mzungu oomen cah dem spread less std dan dem mzungu men </div></div>

just test them blu...then you can poke them til the cows come home. </div></div>

loops mii wukk widd moaslee mzungu oomen soo iff mii wanted too mii cood. still dat natt mii ting </div></div>

i was talking about the men. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bannana_purple.gif[/img]

[Bandana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

ok, so this topic has been round and round on this board, but I don't think any of the discussions made me think like this article I found today...

A Rasta on Sex Tourism in the Caribbean [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The recurring themes of this study are the legacy of slavery, the color hierarchy of the Caribbean, tourism and international politics, sexual relations including inter-racial relations, gender constructions and differences, racial stereotypes and the direction that all these themes, together, are taking. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While this essay focuses on many of the social problems within Caribbean society it is by no means intended to undermine the love and cohesion of the people that is so essential to the culture. Still, I believe that Caribbean people are largely affected by a colonial legacy that repeats itself in a Western, white, patriarchal world that often regards Caribbean islands as mere tourist destinations. Understandings of the past and present are necessary for the progress of the Caribbean as a whole. They are necessary to confront the existing constructions of gender and race that often contribute to many of the Caribbean's problems and to see how even now Caribbean people are shaping their own futures. </div></div>




Read the article, it may open some eyes to why things are the way they are, and why so many are in an outrage about it... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

[Tropicana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sistacaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oh for pete's sake

anyone who doens't know this answer to this - with as many a million times it has been beat to death right here on this board - is just stupid.

or -- deliberatly ACTING so, just to deliberately stir up trouble -- being a TROLL.
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We were having a great discussion.....8 pages worth with not a cross word spoken...no insults, no put downs....NOTHING!! It was an interesting, stimulating FOCUSED and very productive discussion. Why do you feel the need to come in here and stir up trouble. The only troll I see in here at the moment is you. You are being disruptive and quite defenisve and for no reason. If this topic is not to your liking, feel free to start or select another.


<span style='font-size: 11pt'> Read my lips!!! NO ONE has ever done a thread comparing patterns of Sex Tourism in Asia and the Caribbean....NO ONE. </span>

Very few boardites have travelled to Asia and had a chance to observe the differences. Those of us who have notice a sharp contrast between East and West. I have just returned from Asia. Newspapers in Asia are featuring articles about sex tourism and the dynamics of prostitution (and I have shared a recent one that was published when I was there). Newspapers in Jamaica have featured similar articles in fact, <span style='font-size: 14pt'> the front page of this website has done features about rent a dread and sex tourism. </span> It's newsworthy. What is wrong with discussing it? Even if this was the same topic discussed before, as far as I know, there is no quota on discussing any particular topic.

Please break it down for me because I am not seeing what the HUGE problem is in discussing this. Do you? How dare you as a non-Jamaican tell me as a Jamaican that I can't discuss issues that have an impact on MY country. How dare you tell me that I can't compare and contrast what I see in another part of the world with what goes on in MY country.

[Tropicana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ms_DG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do people keep bringing up white people and sex tourism? I think it happens in all races not just white. </div></div>

Feel free to start any thread you feel like starting. It's a huge board and there is plenty of room for you to discuss sex tourism from any angle you feel like discussing it.

[Tropicana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. </div></div>

....or where Asian people go to exploit poor White people. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] Let me see:

1. ???????

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You have a point there blugiant....pretty short list.

[Tropicana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

Bandana...thank you....this topic has VERY important implications. It is about the haves and have nots and it has a HUGE impact on the societies where this type of explointation takes place.

I will read the article and comment. Thank you for sharing it. This is what jumped out at me when I skimmed it. He definitely places this issue in it's correct historical context:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slavery in Barbados held the highest female to male ratio in any of the British colonies for many years, though it eventually evened out. This did not affect productivity—the women worked as hard as the men—rather, it helped productivity since more women could produce more slaves. Men were largely studs used for breeding, and were allowed as many wives as they were able. This system ran so well that Barbados was the only sugar plantation to eliminate the need to import more slaves in the early 1800's. Surely this kind of indulgence has taken its toll in the collective historical psyche of Barbadians and may be one reason for the promiscuity found particularly among local males. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Currently in Barbados there are sharp differences between the male and female population. For example, while more and more men are attracted to a lifestyle of promiscuity, sex tourism and idleness, women thoroughly dominate the places in higher level education. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> At times in Barbados it seems not much has changed since the colonial era. The Economist carried a report on Barbados in 1989 exposing the racist economic order of Barbados with reference to the corporation, The Barbados Mutual. The report, as documented by Beckles, said, "After 23 years of independence, Barbadians are still trying to decide just who they are." Beckles himself argues that "Afro-Barbadians have been systematically kept out of the commanding heights of industry and commerce by a rigid and ancient colonial Euro-Barbadian complex." </div></div>

Seeit deh!! Seeit deh now. HUGE implications in terms of the quality of life, stability of the family unit and options for future development.

I would like to find a similar article that discusses the historical roots of the sexual exploitation of Asian women so that we can compare the two.

This is a good place to start. It focuses on Thailand:

Third World Women's Health: Prostitution and Sex Tourism

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">II. Who is affected by Prostitution & Sex Tourism?

It is difficult to estimate how many people are working in prostitution because so many women working as waitresses, hotel maids, salesclerks, bar girls, and golf caddies are forced into prostitution as part of their work.2 In Thailand, it has been estimated that at least 200,000 women and children work in prostitution.3 At least one-third of Thai prostitutes are under the age of 18, and most adult prostitutes started when they were only children.2 Children as young as six years old work in prostitution.2 Prostitutes are primarily women and girls, although some men and boys also work in prostitution.

Many of the children who work in prostitution come from extremely poor families -- the child's work as a prostitute may feed her entire family.2 Women and children may also be illegal trafficked from one country to another under the belief that they will find work in another country. Their traffickers force them to pay a high price, and to work in prostitution on their arrivals in order to pay for their travel.2

III. How do Prostitution & Sex Tourism affect health?


Physical Health
The sexual health of women and children in prostitution is severely harmed in many ways:

Increased risk of HIV/AIDS
Risk of sexually transmitted infections
Risk of unwanted pregnancy
Vaginal tearing
Violence
Rape
Physical abuse
Confinement

Mental Health
Prostitution is a violation of women's human rights, and treats women as objects. The pain of being treated so poorly can lead to depression and resignation. The state of girls' mental health is best illustrated by Poppy, quoted in The Child and the Tourist by Ron O'Grady:

"I found myself dancing at a club at the age of 11... I have had different kinds of customers, foreigners and Filipinos. I tried suicide but it didn't work so I turned to drugs. I want to die before my next birthday."
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IV. Why do Prostitution & Sex Tourism affect Third World Women more than others?

Prostitution has become an industry in Thailand with the major help of the United States military and the World Bank. During the Vietnam War, the U.S. Department of Defense had a contract with the Thai government to provide "Recreation & Relaxation" for U.S. soldiers.2 With money from the U.S. government, local Thai prostitution organized and expanded into a major industry. <span style='font-size: 11pt'> In 1975, the World Bank built an economic plan for Thailand around the sex tourism industry, which helped turn sex tourism into the country's number one export. 2 Prostitution has now become such an important industry, that work to end prostitution must also support the growth of new industries.</span>

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[blugiant]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ms_DG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do people keep bringing up white people and sex tourism? I think it happens in all races not just white. </div></div>

tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. soo please tell mii oww itt appen equallee inn awl race given dat deer iss more blakk dan mzungu, given dat deer iss more asian dan mzungu. wen itt appen equallee den mii will keep qwiet pon itt

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so the exploitation doesn't bother you? just the inequity?

interesting.... </div></div>

mekk sense outta nunsense

yu a trii fii gawn like da xxpliotation ann da inequitee anno da same ting. dat iss intarestinn fii troo

[rudemonk]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. </div></div>

....or where Asian people go to exploit poor White people. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] Let me see:

1. ???????

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You have a point there blugiant....pretty short list. </div></div>

Europe is made up of quite a few countries that would make that list not so short. There really is no limit to the exploitation of women.

Besides, these days people import their flesh. Kingston, for example, has a russian/eastern european trade in girls.

Russian and Eastern European girls are imported into Asian markets in droves.

Vegas, Amsterdam, London, NYC, Paris...I'm sure if you really set your sights to discovering you'll find lots of examples of one group of people overly willing to exploit the hell out of poor people from other or their own groups.

[loops]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

sexploitation knows no color bar...

this is a case in point...probably not as fascinating though...as i suspect there are few mzungu's involved.

look the other way.

[Bandana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ms_DG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do people keep bringing up white people and sex tourism? I think it happens in all races not just white. </div></div>

tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. soo please tell mii oww itt appen equallee inn awl race given dat deer iss more blakk dan mzungu, given dat deer iss more asian dan mzungu. wen itt appen equallee den mii will keep qwiet pon itt

</div></div>

so the exploitation doesn't bother you? just the inequity?

interesting.... </div></div>

mekk sense outta nunsense

yu a trii fii gawn like da xxpliotation ann da inequitee anno da same ting. dat iss intarestinn fii troo </div></div>

Thats the thing Blu ~ I think some people do/did not think of it in these terms...

I have ALWAYS been someone to stand up aginst racism and in-equality, but for some reason until I read that article I posted, I never even thought of WHY these people in the Caribbean are doing this... I only thought "to each his own" "both people benifit from it" - blah blah blah...

But to actually look at the history of slavery and that it's reprocussion are as far reaching as to effect who we choose as sex partners, or that people are FORCED to use sex to survive... puts a different spin on "to each his own"

[Tropicana]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. </div></div>

....or where Asian people go to exploit poor White people. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] Let me see:

1. ???????

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]

You have a point there blugiant....pretty short list. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Europe is made up of quite a few countries that would make that list not so short. There really is no limit to the exploitation of women.

Besides, these days people import their flesh. Kingston, for example, has a russian/eastern european trade in girls.

Russian and Eastern European girls are imported into Asian markets in droves.

Vegas, Amsterdam, London, NYC, Paris...I'm sure if you really set your sights to discovering you'll find lots of examples of one group of people overly willing to exploit the hell out of poor people from other or their own groups. </div></div>

Without a doubt monk but that is not sex tourism, the focus of this particular thread. It's sometimes human trafficking (when the women are coerced or kidnapped). I know in Dubai for example, there are Russian women involved in "entertaining gentlemen" and everyone looks the other way. Certainly exploitation knows no race but the travel in droves to a different country to rooks off poor people of a different race is a decidely Caucasian phenomenon as far as I can tell.

[blugiant]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell mii da mzungu countrees wey blakk peeps goo fii sexuallee xxploit poor mzungu. </div></div>

....or where Asian people go to exploit poor White people. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] Let me see:

1. ???????

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]

You have a point there blugiant....pretty short list. </div></div>

Europe is made up of quite a few countries that would make that list not so short. There really is no limit to the exploitation of women.

Besides, these days people import their flesh. Kingston, for example, has a russian/eastern european trade in girls.

Russian and Eastern European girls are imported into Asian markets in droves.

Vegas, Amsterdam, London, NYC, Paris...I'm sure if you really set your sights to discovering you'll find lots of examples of one group of people overly willing to exploit the hell out of poor people from other or their own groups. </div></div>mii agree widd yu dat peeps sexuallee xxploit dem own peeps. dunn a yaawd sum duttee maddar use dem dawta fii mekk sure da dollar flow. butt deer iss a diffarance between poor peeps sellinn sex fii putt food inna dem mouth versus peeps woo see nootinn wrang widd usinn dem money fii xxploit poor peeps.

a latt aff russian gurls ar imported inn ja too butt deer iss diffance cah wat addar peeps beside da affrikkans wass enslaved ann imported too such a large dagree too tropical islands fii satisfii mzungu sexual whims. lett natt chatt bout watt dem didd too dem young blakk boys too ann oww dem funnee mzungu menn triinn fii reestablish dem foothold bakk inn da caribbeans.

yu a chatt bout da importataion aff sum gurls fii use inna sum whorehouse mii a chatt bout mzungu seeinn dem islands as whorehouse

[queenb]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm objects in mirror are larger than they appear [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

Penis Size Around The World
Flacid length/erect length (in inches)

United States 3.4/5.0
Germany - na/5.6
Spain - na/5.3
France 4.7/6.2
Japan 3.1/5.1
Brazil - na/4.8
Italy 3.9/5.9
Venezuela 3.7/5.0
Mexico - na/<span style='font-size: 20pt'>5.9</span>
Greece - na/4.8
India - na/4.0
Saudi Arabia - na/4.9
Chile - na/5.5
Colombia 3.5 5.4
Korea 2.7 3.7 </div></div>

Maybe that explains why there are so many Mexicans running around New Jersey! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] And what's with the French? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek2.gif[/img]