The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

[rebelgirl]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by NYer:
[qb]You make some good points rebel.

I'd like to point out though that each religion has its fanatics - Islam comes to mind, since it has been so successful in taking over government in many places.

But also not every Christian is evangelical, that is, not all feel the need to condemn non-Christians or convert them.

Most Christians I know (offline) are like that, they're just doing their thing, happy to assist you if you want but never pushing or condemning others.[/qb]

True NYer, I totally agree, and perhaps I should have phrased my point to point out it is the evangelical Christians that foster this attitude not the ones that just have their faith and enjoy it. I suppose there can be a bit of a oversight on the part of some with Atheistic leanings in separating the evangelical from the non. I too fall pray to making assumption based on my experience with a few. and that is not correct either.

Atheists from what I know aren't to fond of Islam either [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

However accepted did kind of make my point about some Christians, in the sense that he found it necessary to quote scripture that referred to non believers as fools. His perspective, inspired by his book. But why was it necessary for him to post it to atheists saying this is just for you? That is definitely the kind of thing that keeps the gap wide.

I think it would be a great world if only we could all respect each others choices.

[NYer]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Agree with everything you said [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

(surprise surprise)

[Israelites]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by NYer:
[qb]Agree with everything you said [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

(surprise surprise)[/qb]

As do I Rebel!! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
(not surprised tho, I tend to agree with your comments [even as a non-believer] more often than not) [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Tuff Gong]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by NYer:
[qb]Islam comes to mind, since it has been so successful in taking over government in many places. [/qb]

Not true while there are some countries that have islamic majorities only one country that I have ever heard of is governed under Islamic Law. I supect that you did not mean so in the strictest sense of the word but i just want to clarify a bit....Peace

[rebelgirl]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
[qb]

Originally posted by NYer:
[qb]Islam comes to mind, since it has been so successful in taking over government in many places. [/qb]

Not true while there are some countries that have islamic majorities only one country that I have ever heard of is governed under Islamic Law. I supect that you did not mean so in the strictest sense of the word but i just want to clarify a bit....Peace[/qb]

2 isn't it, Iran, and Afghanistan. What about all the other stans? are any of them Muslim ruled? The Saudi's aren't? I know they are governed by a king but isn't Islamic law part of their rule. I thought the UAA was too? actually you've inspired a new search in my knowledge because I have no friggen clue which ones are and which ones aren't other than Iran.

[rebelgirl]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

There are 19 nations which have declared Islam in their respective constitutions.

Is all I've found so far, it hasn't told me what nations though. Ugh sometime the web seems more frustrating than it seems useful.

hope your having a good evening TG [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] thanks for giving me a new obsession [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Anarchy]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by rebel:
[qb]There are 19 nations which have declared Islam in their respective constitutions.

Is all I've found so far, it hasn't told me what nations though. Ugh sometime the web seems more frustrating than it seems useful.

hope your having a good evening TG [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] thanks for giving me a new obsession [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/qb]

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[Tuff Gong]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by rebel:
[qb]There are 19 nations which have declared Islam in their respective constitutions.

Is all I've found so far, it hasn't told me what nations though. Ugh sometime the web seems more frustrating than it seems useful.

hope your having a good evening TG [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] thanks for giving me a new obsession [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/qb]

Thanks rebel for the research....I will concede

[accepted77]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Rebel and N'yer

There is a parable of Jesus about a rich man going to a far country and leaving his servants in charge of his goods.

Its called the parable of the talents, I am sure you are familiar with it.

The servant with the one talent hid it because he said he knew his master was a hard taskmaster reaping where he did not sow.

Bear with me here, Jesus prefaced many parables with ...The Kingdom of God is likened unto... example; the parable of the sower...the ten virgins .

In all these parables these servants had a duty in being a part of the Kingdom. I hear so many christians say you don't have to preach the word you don't have to testify about Jesus christianity is a personal thing between you and God your own little secret.

I beg to differ. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid, and if we as christians are unwilling to let others know about Jesus if we in silence deny him before men then he will likewise deny us before the father.

Now some say do it in love, but is it love to see a person heading towards a broken bridge and not shout a warning because it's none of my business.

Not all christians in here may agree, cause not all who profess christianity are willing to stand up for truth, biblical truth, cause it hurts to say some things found in the Bible, you wish there was another way to say "sinner", "hell", Judgement, fornication, adultery, murderers, homosexuality.

Some think christians like to label others but you can't be 'half christian with God' the first stage of christianity is to 'stop denial' and believe me it never does get pass looking inwards.

Now even here in cyberspace where the connection is etheral thoughts thumbed out on the keyboards, relationships are formed by the gathering of minds, as a christian if I can by any means scream loud enough to stop you or RC or Fledgist or anyone for that matter from dropping over that precipice of unbelief, I will scream in love. For if we were told that tommorow "God forbid" one of us here had died I would mourn even though I have never set eyes on you.

The Love of God constrains me and in that love I wish that God would in some way touch you all by these posts mind, souls and spirit.

The day I feel this is but an exercise in vain boasting of our debating skills is the day this moniker will bow out.

God Bless all.

[Israelites]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by accepted:
[qb]
In not believeng in the existence of God the Bible declares one a fool.
[/qb]

Hmmm, anyone else notice how redundant(dunno if 'redundant's quite the right word, but it still sounds ridiculous) this sounds? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
If they don't believe in the existence of God, they certainly don't believe the Bible. So why in the world are you quoting that to them?

[qb]RebelThere is no malice in my game, a little provacation but no malice.[/qb]
If not malice, I repeat, then why in the world are you quoting that to them?

[Israelites]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by rebel:
[qb]So sadly this conflict will continue, until either Christianity is out grown or radically changed by humans, or until the Christians get their desire, and every Atheist is either converted, or killed, by a vengeful petty God that has no respect for the unique, and wonderful variety of human thoughts, desires, and beliefs.

Sad isn't it. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/qb]

I've got another possible solution(since you don't believe in the solution that I do, I'm not mentioning it [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] )

A giant meteor/comet could smash into the Earth, causing a huge ash-cloud that covers the whole planet, killing off all life, then the conflict would end! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[fiver]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Rebel and N'yer

There is a parable of Jesus about a rich man going to a far country and leaving his servants in charge of his goods.

Its called the parable of the talents, I am sure you are familiar with it.

The servant with the one talent hid it because he said he knew his master was a hard taskmaster reaping where he did not sow.

Bear with me here, Jesus prefaced many parables with ...The Kingdom of God is likened unto... example; the parable of the sower...the ten virgins .

In all these parables these servants had a duty in being a part of the Kingdom. I hear so many christians say you don't have to preach the word you don't have to testify about Jesus christianity is a personal thing between you and God your own little secret.

I beg to differ. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid, and if we as christians are unwilling to let others know about Jesus if we in silence deny him before men then he will likewise deny us before the father.

Now some say do it in love, but is it love to see a person heading towards a broken bridge and not shout a warning because it's none of my business.

Not all christians in here may agree, cause not all who profess christianity are willing to stand up for truth, biblical truth, cause it hurts to say some things found in the Bible, you wish there was another way to say "sinner", "hell", Judgement, fornication, adultery, murderers, homosexuality.

Some think christians like to label others but you can't be 'half christian with God' the first stage of christianity is to 'stop denial' and believe me it never does get pass looking inwards.

Now even here in cyberspace where the connection is etheral thoughts thumbed out on the keyboards, relationships are formed by the gathering of minds, as a christian if I can by any means scream loud enough to stop you or RC or Fledgist or anyone for that matter from dropping over that precipice of unbelief, I will scream in love. For if we were told that tommorow "God forbid" one of us here had died I would mourn even though I have never set eyes on you.

The Love of God constrains me and in that love I wish that God would in some way touch you all by these posts mind, souls and spirit.

The day I feel this is but an exercise in vain boasting of our debating skills is the day this moniker will bow out.

God Bless all.

accepted:

here is a parable for you about forcing your own ideas on others. Its called Kissing Hank's Butt. I am sure you are familiar with it.

Kissing Hank's Butt

Not all christians in here may agree, cause not all who profess christianity are willing to stand up for truth, biblical truth, cause it hurts to say some things found in the Bible, you wish there was another way to say "sinner", "hell", Judgement, fornication, adultery, murderers, homosexuality.

wow. now even the Christians who disagree with you are just being slackers. and you sure are a good apologist for the Yahweh is my way/ it's Yahweh or the highway crew. maybe you can soften up, oh how about,Ezekiel 9:6 next, "...Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children."

God Bless all. indeed.

[Israelites]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Fiver, I like this one better, it's hilarious: http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Ginohn....html#Humanism , hmm I think I'll make a new topic.

[fiver]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

that would be really great. quite a few good laughs in there. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[NYer]

Re: The atheist agenda, from an atheist perspective.

Originally posted by accepted:
Rebel and N'yer
I beg to differ. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid, and if we as christians are unwilling to let others know about Jesus if we in silence deny him before men then he will likewise deny us before the father.

If the city is set on a hill, won't people see it whether you grab their faces and make them look or not?

Now some say do it in love, but is it love to see a person heading towards a broken bridge and not shout a warning because it's none of my business.

Perhaps it is God's will that this person head towards that bridge. Perhaps God knows better than you - a human being - what should happen with that person.

Not all christians in here may agree, cause not all who profess christianity are willing to stand up for truth, biblical truth, cause it hurts to say some things found in the Bible, you wish there was another way to say "sinner", "hell", Judgement, fornication, adultery, murderers, homosexuality.

Not all Chrisitans pick and choose and distort things in the bible to suit their worldview.

Some think christians like to label others but you can't be 'half christian with God' the first stage of christianity is to 'stop denial' and believe me it never does get pass looking inwards.

So why not stop your own denial, and let others have thier OWN relationship with God, not necessarily YOUR relationship with God?

Now even here in cyberspace where the connection is etheral thoughts thumbed out on the keyboards, relationships are formed by the gathering of minds, as a christian if I can by any means scream loud enough to stop you or RC or Fledgist or anyone for that matter from dropping over that precipice of unbelief, I will scream in love. For if we were told that tommorow "God forbid" one of us here had died I would mourn even though I have never set eyes on you.

I really believe you mean this and I thank you, it's a very nice thing to say. But I submit to you that screaming to others, in love ot not, is not your place, it's God's place. God did not tell us we need intermediaries to give us THEIR HUMAN interpretation of his words.
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