Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jamaica

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TG,
I read your post and watched the video .
I did not see or hear anything to support your claim of PNP support for the Coard coup in Grenada which precipitated the U.S. invasion.

Would you mind narrowing down what you posted to the evidence pointing to PNP complicity in the Coard coup and just post that with the source for it?

Thank you so much.. </div></div>
My friend I explained my error. You did not see that either?
The PNP and all its satellites did not have any problems in been grouped together so there is absolutely no need for me to withdraw anything, just explain my error that is all.
You asked for the <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">slightest connections</span> I gave it to you.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

TG,

I watched another of the videos and again found nothing pertinent.
Someone going to Cuba is somehow proof of PNP complicity in the Coard Grenada coup?
The PNP , Cuba were sympathetic to with Maurice Bishop, the man Coard overthrew/killed and not Coard. There is not the slightest connection.

Please explain.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tuff Gong,
I went through the bulk of your postings this morning and did see that there was a great deal of violence and apparently from both PNP and JLP supporters . </div></div>
Don't be stupid. There is a chronological order to the violence and where the State use violence against the general population of the country all bets or off, it would be a dereliction of duty if the JLP did not respond in kind to overwhelming force of State sponsored terror.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TG,

I watched another of the videos and again found nothing pertinent.
Someone going to Cuba is somehow proof of PNP complicity in the Coard Grenada coup?

Please explain. </div></div>That is not what was said, seeing or hearing the wrong thing. The caller made a point of saying in the murder of the public servant a certain Union Leader...xyz, then he said and there was something else...he then went on to make his charge.

[johnnycakes]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

TG,

If Manley held power and constitutionally, why would it be necessary for him to initiate killings and violence in general ?
All the JLP had to do was call for elections or wait and vote Manley out.

Unless there was an urgent need to remove him by the great regional power.

You would have me believe that almost overnight the peaceful nature of Jamaican government and the heretofore relatively peaceful nature of the Jamaican people changed into open warfare?

And this without the outside interference common to the Cold War?


Again, you can believe what you want.

I don't find it or what illogical straws you grasp at believable.

Jamaicans spent time in Cuba so therefore the PNP was involved in the Coard Grenada coup.

Brilliant.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TG,

If Manley held power and constitutionally, why would it be necessary for him to initiate killings and violence in general ?</div></div>

In all the links I have posted it is there the first set of links are all from Jamaica and it details most of the major actions against citizens including actions in Menlie own Constituency.
I cannot tell you what goes on in madmen minds but it not unusual for the State, even where it holds absolute power to butcher it own Citizens, it happened throughout history and it happens everyday still.

[remo]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A new member on here would be forgiven if after reading all these article (cut/paste)that michael manley was evil incarnate and Eddie Ciaga was a saint</div></div>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">LOL</span> as usual the stupid, dishonest accusations. The whole forum is about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">cut and paste </span>that is what we do. It was okay when other does it, but not okay when certain folks do it.
The only folks who ever accuse Eddie Blinds of been a Saint are <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">you, and the rest of the idiots </span>who constantly use ad hominems to attack Eddie Blinds and posters critical of the PNP Reign of Terror.
</div></div>


LoL.....
Talk about ad hominem attacks.....I dont expect you to cut and paste like the whole forum does .....I guess that prooves that you are an idiot like the rest of us

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LoL.....
Talk about ad hominem attacks.....I dont expect you to cut and paste like the whole forum does .....I guess that prooves that you are an idiot like the rest of us </div></div>

If you go forward to the start of the posts I said I was going to<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"> cut and paste</span>, so your argument is bunk!
As for <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">ad hominem attacks</span>, yes if they are directed at me I will counter most forcefully with attacks of my own.

[remo]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LoL.....
Talk about ad hominem attacks.....I dont expect you to cut and paste like the whole forum does .....I guess that prooves that you are an idiot like the rest of us </div></div>

If you go forward to the start of the posts I said I was going to<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"> cut and paste</span>, so your argument is bunk!
As for <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">ad hominem attacks</span>, yes if they are directed at me I will counter most forcefully with attacks of my own. </div></div>

LoL
So because you said you were going to cut and paste nullifies the fact that you cut and pasted?...help me out here because as you said I am an idiot and you are the smart one
who does not cut and paste..

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LoL
So because you said you were going to cut and paste nullifies the fact that you cut and pasted?...help me out here because as you said I am an idiot and you are the smart one
who does not cut and paste.. </div></div>

You are an idiot and you are proving it right now.

#1 I never said anything about nullifying the fact of cutting and pasting.
#2 I anticipated the attack and acknowledged that I was going to cut and paste facts, articles and opinions.
#3 We already agreed on the methodology and procedures, this was established over many pages before I posted my submissions.
#4 is more than idiotic and very dishonest to complain about cutting and pasting when this what 99% of the Board id about.
#5 You have offered no challenge or rebuttals to the arguments that I cut and pasted, but you are complaining about me cutting and pasting articles...if is idiotic and dishonest and I cannot say that enough.

[Wahalla]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

Tuffy,,, Do u remeber election night in 1980...???? Did u follow the returns ? the radio was giving the numbers as they were being counted.... Do you recall that Ryan Peralto was neck and neck with Manley for his seat ???? Do you recall all the heads were saying this was surprising.. then literally there was no more returns from manley cositutency from 8 till it was declared.. That was unusual as returns werre being announced as tey were counted.. And it was one of the most striking things about that night.... not the Seaga victory but the count at Manleys constituency.... And the fact there was projections that he was going to lose the seat for the first time....

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tuffy,,, Do u remeber election night in 1980...???? Did u follow the returns ? the radio was giving the numbers as they were being counted.... Do you recall that Ryan Peralto was neck and neck with Manley for his seat ???? Do you recall all the heads were saying this was surprising.. then literally there was no more returns from manley cositutency from 8 till it was declared.. That was unusual as returns werre being announced as tey were counted.. And it was one of the most striking things about that night.... not the Seaga victory but the count at Manleys constituency.... And the fact there was projections that he was going to lose the seat for the first time.... </div></div>

Of course I followed it and yes I remembered the tension in the air as Menlie own Seat looked to be in jeopardy.

[Wahalla]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

suh what did happen ? At one point I seemed to recall that Peralto was going to challenge the result but did not ? Did they pull some bamdullo biznes ???? Cause the margin of victory did not reflect the early returns ????

This was one case that I questioned Manelys integrity...

[britisha]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

Smaddie beg yuh cum wid di info, I am curious...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Michael Manley was the only dirty Prime Minister of Jama

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">suh what did happen ? At one point I seemed to recall that Peralto was going to challenge the result but did not ? Did they pull some bamdullo biznes ???? Cause the margin of victory did not reflect the early returns ????

This was one case that I questioned Manelys integrity... </div></div>I don't know what happened but I suspect that a huge stink was not raised because it would not be desirous to have Menlie removed in the circumstances where is Party was decimated and he was the Party Leader.