The Original Egyptians

[rufian]

Re: The Original Egyptians

Ok, so what do we have now?
the egyptians:
- built tall buildings
- flew airplanes
- had scribes
- had slaves/ wipped the jews

wa me miss?

[jah_yout]

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"This, thought I, was the work of my African progenitors É. Feelings came over me far different from those I have ever felt when looking at the mighty works of European genius. I felt that I had a peculiar heritage in the Great Pyramid built É by the enterprising sons of Ham, from which I descended. The blood seemed to flow faster through my veins. I seemed to hear the echo of those illustrious Africans. I seemed to feel the impulse from those stirring characters who sent civilization to GreeceÉ Could my voice have reached out to every African in the world, I would have earnestly addressed himÉ.'Retake your Fame.'"

Edward Wilmot Blyden, From West Africa to Palestine (1912; quoted by Mary Lefkowitz, Not out of Africa (New York: 1996), p 129.

[rudemonk]

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so it's true they didn't have a global continental identity, but an egyptian one.

what I mean is, we have italian-americans here in the US right?

so in Egypt, did they have hysksos-egyptian or nubian-egyptian classifications, like on their census forms, what did it read?

[rufian]

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The passport said Egyptian

[Nylah]

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ah. confirmation. Well my love, if making such a statement reinforces your point then let me defer to you as I am no intellectual competition for a man as erudite as yourself.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thank you. It is always astounding to me that on this board if you look at an issue and come away with a different conclusion other than what is held be certain folks then you are in denial, dont know yourself, arent black enough and the rest of the nonsense.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Reading is truly fundamental but so is comprehension</span>.

To think outside the box and actually take an objective and rational approach is frowned upon. Only chatting the same agenda is accepted.

Nothing uswe or sukuna - especially Sukuna - could be twisted into self-hate and denial, but yet ppl manage to do it. Really read what has been said by her and you will see a more pro-black stance than anyone else in this thread.

Irony is a hell of a thing.

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i guess you haven't been reading the thread;
sukuna especially seems hell bent on shooting down any argument that the ancient egyptians were black...by either denying it or saying it's not important or doesn't matter...
he/she doesn't offer any evidence or theories to refute that premise, just basically playing 'devil's advocate';
and never answered me when i asked if he/she believes that black africans played any role in ancient egypt...
where does sukuna stand on this?

yes i doubt you've been reading the thread </div></div>

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so it's true they didn't have a global continental identity, but an egyptian one.

what I mean is, we have italian-americans here in the US right?

so in Egypt, did they have hysksos-egyptian or nubian-egyptian classifications, like on their census forms, what did it read? </div></div>

no censuses...they depicted different physical features in their art...i've seen hundreds of depictions of egyptians &amp; their neighbors...from white to black;
but the thing is that the earliest dynasties were more african than not;
italians, despite their darker skin &amp; hair are still considered a part of europe...they have mixed with africa but still essentially european;
likewise the egyptians that had a slightly lighter skin &amp; curlier hair than say a south african would still be an african;
but some wanted egypt removed from africa, due to their own biases
check this photo gallery

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/ken-garrett-photography

[seldom]

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[rudemonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
italians, despite their darker skin &amp; hair are still considered a part of europe...</div></div>

that my brother, depends on which euros you ask! and also what italians- you couldn't tell my nonna she was italian, trust me when I tell you.

I am now starting to recall my art history, thanks for the link to the gallery, I'm gonna check it out.

p.s. that plane was a glider right?

[diabolical_Tanya]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seldom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...
This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because... </div></div>


okay you win

[jah_yout]

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[uswe]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">ah. confirmation. Well my love, if making such a statement reinforces your point then let me defer to you as I am no intellectual competition for a man as erudite as yourself.</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thank you. It is always astounding to me that on this board if you look at an issue and come away with a different conclusion other than what is held be certain folks then you are in denial, dont know yourself, arent black enough and the rest of the nonsense.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Reading is truly fundamental but so is comprehension</span>.

To think outside the box and actually take an objective and rational approach is frowned upon. Only chatting the same agenda is accepted.

Nothing uswe or sukuna - especially Sukuna - could be twisted into self-hate and denial, but yet ppl manage to do it. Really read what has been said by her and you will see a more pro-black stance than anyone else in this thread.

Irony is a hell of a thing.

</div></div>

i guess you haven't been reading the thread;
sukuna especially seems hell bent on shooting down any argument that the ancient egyptians were black...by either denying it or saying it's not important or doesn't matter...
he/she doesn't offer any evidence or theories to refute that premise, just basically playing 'devil's advocate';
and never answered me when i asked if he/she believes that black africans played any role in ancient egypt...
where does sukuna stand on this?

yes i doubt you've been reading the thread </div></div> </div></div>


A very intellectual and erudite statement, might I add

[uswe]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seldom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...
This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because...

This is the thread that never ends,
yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue postinging it forever just because... </div></div>


okay you win </div></div>


Eh poak nyama..leave fram bout yah..fawse

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
italians, despite their darker skin &amp; hair are still considered a part of europe...</div></div>

that my brother, depends on which euros you ask! and also what italians- you couldn't tell my nonna she was italian, trust me when I tell you.

I am now starting to recall my art history, thanks for the link to the gallery, I'm gonna check it out.

p.s. that plane was a glider right?

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actually more of a model than an actual glider...
they built an engine motor plane with the exact same dimensions and it flew perfectly like a modern airplane...i will give you details on the program once i find it;
yes i also had an italian friend who said she wasn't white she was italian, but the average person looking at her would call her white;

i have no problem with these racial issues...
the problem came up when racist scientists tried to cover up the knowledge whenever they saw black egyptians...or worse claimed they were really white..
that's the long &amp; short of it

[jah_yout]

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monk;

re the plane, check this out:



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But a model airplane needs a vertical rudder to keep it moving straight. This strange wooden model tapered into a vertical rudder. One can also see that the wing has an airfoil cross-section. It was all aerodynamically correct. <span style="font-weight: bold">Too much about the model was beyond coincidence. Messiha's brother, a flight engineer, reproduced it in balsa wood and launched it. It flew. It really flew! </span>
The model was dug up in Sakkara a hundred years ago. Sakkara is a site of ancient ruins, but this model is more recent. It's from the 3rd century BC, from an age of invention that followed the death of Alexander the Great. That so-called Hellenistic period gave us gears, screws, plumbing, control valves, Euclidian geometry, Archimedes, and Ptolemy's astronomy.

<span style="font-weight: bold">And so, it seems, it also produced a modern concept of flight. 1800 years later Leonardo da Vinci was still trying to invent flapping-wing airplanes and corkscrew-driven helicopters. But here, an Egyptian had produced something with all the features of a modern sailplane.</span>

Did anyone actually build a large version of this thing? Well, no one could have come this close to the real shape of flight without working on a larger scale. This little wooden model could hardly exist unless someone had worked with large, light models, or even with man-carrying versions.

Archaeologists have looked in vain for a prototype. A large model light enough to fly would be too delicate to stand the ravages of 2300 years. The original -- if it ever was -- has long since joined the desert dust. Whatever form this Egyptian airplane might have taken, it has long since returned to the world of dreams and imagination from which it first came.

I'm John Lienhard, at the University of Houston, where we're interested in the way inventive minds work.

photos of the Cairo Museum &quot;bird&quot;

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http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi328.htm

[uswe]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
italians, despite their darker skin &amp; hair are still considered a part of europe...</div></div>

that my brother, depends on which euros you ask! and also what italians- <span style="font-weight: bold">you couldn't tell my nonna she was italian, trust me when I tell you.</span>
I am now starting to recall my art history, thanks for the link to the gallery, I'm gonna check it out.

p.s. that plane was a glider right?

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What did she consider herself?