Not white enough

[britisha]

Re: Not white enough

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queenb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I don't understand after reading this whole thread, is <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> <span style="font-size: 14pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000">WHY WOULD YOU ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM A STRANGER, ANYWAY? </span> </span> </span> </span> When my children were small and someone would offer them anything, I would politely tell them &quot;thanks, but no thanks&quot; then explain that I am trying to keep them safe and to not think it is okay to accept gifts of any type from strangers. <span style="font-weight: bold"> STRANGER DANGER</span> Money is just another &quot;gift&quot; and it gives children the wrong idea that it is okay to get something for nothing. </div></div>

Good point you made...and if Sukie were living in America, mebbie that would be my response...not to accept things from strangers..

...well, where I was brought up in Kingston, on a Friday evening when people got paid it was NOT unusual for people to give the children money...&quot;gwaan goh buy a sweetie/candy&quot;...that was a great thrill for us as children, and we gladly took it...and we told our parents as well.

We heard of blackheart men who would lure children with candy to take them away...but it went in one ear and out the other, for looking back I've never heard of any missing children or anyone arrested for such crime...[then it was ignorance is bliss for us children] Kingston was a very civilised place in those days...it is not like now, when we are hearing of all sorts of heinous crimes there...where copy cats are imitating countries where this child 'napping is prevalent and where there are sooooo many mad people...

IMHO if a child accepts a handout from a stranger with the parent PRESENT...there is nothing wrong with that, but that is me, britisha...to each his own...and as you can see MY RESPONSE IS DEPENDENT ON MY LIFE'S EXPERIENCE...'scuse the shouting...

..and this is why mi keep harping on &quot;Jamaica mashup&quot;

edited to say...<span style="font-weight: bold">Isn't trick or treating a custom where children are allowed to accept things from strangers?.OOOOh the irony of it all</span>

[britisha]

Re: Not white enough

....and now it reverts to the other hypocrisy, we must not accept anything from strangers, unless it when they bring their ole bruk dem noh want to Jamaica, and wi must tek it an seh 'thanks for saving my life&quot;



..and what about those parents who take their children at Christmas to get free toys etc at designated places by athletes, entertainers etc? What is the difference? OoooH the irony of it all

If the topic is noted, it is &quot;not white enough&quot;...hardly anything to do with accepting the gift, as the concern of the possibility of an UNDERLYING INSULT... ...Mi dun talk.

[Nanook]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queenb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I don't understand after reading this whole thread, is <span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="font-style: italic"> <span style="font-size: 14pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000">WHY WOULD YOU ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM A STRANGER, ANYWAY? </span> </span> </span> </span> When my children were small and someone would offer them anything, I would politely tell them &quot;thanks, but no thanks&quot; then explain that I am trying to keep them safe and to not think it is okay to accept gifts of any type from strangers. <span style="font-weight: bold"> STRANGER DANGER</span> Money is just another &quot;gift&quot; and it gives children the wrong idea that it is okay to get something for nothing. </div></div>

HAIL TO QUEENB!!!

Take anything from a stranger? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!!! Now, in accordance with some of the above responses, when the stranger who showed up in front of our house in a car when I was 10 years old asking me to come to his car little girl... I very well might have done just that if given this scenario!!

Actually, children should be taught the opposite!

In my case I had a dog protecting me. Who will protect the innocent children who are taught from unsuspecting parents in scenarios such as this that acceptance of monetary gifts is OK?

The child has already been taught that accepting monetary gift from stranger is acceptable. It is only a matter of time for that impression of goodness to transfer to a different offer of monetary value with strings attached.

[Gen]

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[Nylah]

Re: Not white enough


very interesting discussion

[Nanook]

Re: Not white enough



Yes it is a very interesting topic/discussion. There is a wide line between random acts of giving to strangers and organized activities. I no longer condone the random trick or treat at Halloween either. The relative safety of those days are long gone, yet there was always that element of danger even though our parents took us out in droves...

Um, I do remember the driver of the car pulling in front of my house when I was 10 offering &quot;candy little girl&quot;?. I remember it like it wasn't that long ago yet it was almost 50 years ago.

I guess what I'm saying is memories stick. Do not accept stranger offerings it could lead to disaster.

[Nylah]

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I keep reading and saying &quot;yeah good point&quot; and then read one next post that is the opposing view, and I say, &quot;yeah good point&quot;

Britisha hit on the nail - I think the POV a person has on this depends on their own experience.

It is a very different world out there Nanook from when I was a child as well. And the ability to ascertain what someone's motivate os for being &quot;generous&quot; towards you is complicated and possibly dangerous.

[diabolical_Tanya]

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interesting

[rufian]

Re: Not white enough

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two sides to everything them say and this is it.

Yesterday I was on the train to the poorest provinces with my daughter. We were sitting at the window enjoying the scenery and laughing, when suddenly an old woman(about 55) came over with her hand full of coins......</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not white enough</div></div>

You should not have accepted the money if you felt that way.

You could leave the country if you feel this is going to be repeated and you will be out raged by it.

You could put yourself in a position where you could work to bring and overstanding to the Whites on what Black is and the Blacks to help them to accept their lot in life, <span style="font-style: italic">(whatever it is)</span>, eg. Don't try to keep up with the Jones' by amassing huge caboodles of debt. </div></div>
you jokey bad
how me feel about the money?
as you can see this time i am not raged. and why would anybody leave a country just because people keep handing them things they dont need? Is my life in danger because of it?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could put yourself in a position where you could work to bring and overstanding to the Whites on what Black is and the Blacks to help them to accept their lot in life</div></div>
Sorry you miss pan dis one. In the earlier days when I came here that is one of the first things I began doing. Finding ways of bettering the negative image of blacks, took my nice project plan to the state. I even received a scholarship from the state towards achieving my aims. BUT, I am only one person and human and after doing enough research BLACKS are responsible for their own image individually because you take it on a global level. You try to improve on one side and twenty breaking down their own image on the other side. Blacks here had the opportunity of having a good image in this place more than anywhere else but they failed.

When I came here the only blacks were at the newly build international centre, people assumed you were one of them and well off. Then came the flock of refugees and drug dealers.
I was touched because people people automatically think I am African, BUT, it is actually an African problem because Caribbean people here respected on a few levels.

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You should not have accepted the money if you felt that way.

You could leave the country if you feel this is going to be repeated and you will be out raged by it.

You could put yourself in a position where you could work to bring and overstanding to the Whites on what Black is and the Blacks to help them to accept their lot in life, <span style="font-style: italic">(whatever it is)</span>, eg. Don't try to keep up with the Jones' by amassing huge caboodles of debt. </div></div>

Amen. You took the words right out of my mouth.

I would personally give the money back and inform &quot;sister friend&quot; that I was not in need it, but done in such a subtle way that a child of any age, mine or other, would learn not to accept hand out, with head held high. </div></div>

yea yea &quot;money or pride&quot;

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as you can see this time i am not raged. and why would anybody leave a country just because people keep handing them things they dont need? Is my life in danger because of it?</div></div>...well I am not sure it does seems the lady before that you stoned with the food might think her life was in danger.
It was just one of many suggestions.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I keep reading and saying &quot;yeah good point&quot; and then read one next post that is the opposing view, and I say, &quot;yeah good point&quot; </div></div>That is how a good debate works!

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So she accepted the money - and fed the stereotype - just cause she wanted peace of mind?

Actually, I'll wait for sukuna to answer if she cares to... </div></div>
even if i had not taken it, it would feed some other stereotype. I mentioned another case where i had to pelt a woman down with cookies she was offering. She actually thought I was being proud and was well needy. And that forcing me to take it was for my own good. It was a nice day, an me na waan manhandle nobody. And it ended a nice day too. seen

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry you miss pan dis one. In the earlier days when I came here that is one of the first things I began doing. Finding ways of bettering the negative image of blacks, took my nice project plan to the state. I even received a scholarship from the state towards achieving my aims. BUT, I am only one person and human and after doing enough research BLACKS are responsible for their own image individually because you take it on a global level. You try to improve on one side and twenty breaking down their own image on the other side. Blacks here had the opportunity of having a good image in this place more than anywhere else but they failed.

When I came here the only blacks were at the newly build international centre, people assumed you were one of them and well off. Then came the flock of refugees and drug dealers.
I was touched because people people automatically think I am African, BUT, it is actually an African problem because Caribbean people here respected on a few levels. </div></div>

Well don't be sorry...again it was one of a number of suggestions.

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">REread Sukie's tale...it is not so much about accepting a handout as the fact that the giver is white....if you are following her posts here, where she lives is very racist, and that is what IMHO is bothering her, that the stereotype about blacks being needy might have been the motive. </div></div>I am not quibbling with the fact that:

A. she accepted the money
B. the giver might have thought she was helping out a poor destitute Black Madonna and Child.
C. she lives in a very racist country.

I am willing to accept all the above, what I am offering <span style="font-style: italic">(or think I am offering)</span> is advice on how to escape or deal with the vagaries of living in a racist country where the typical black person is considered to be an African, who is poor and need spare change <span style="font-style: italic">(since it has obviously affected her to the point where she gives blow by blow accounts from time to time.)</span>.
Maybe she should dress better when she goes out in public. I am not making a value judgment on her character but maybe her and her daughter’s costumes might give rise to folks believing that they fit the stereotype. </div></div>

Keep talking, before you know it, you will see your own racism towards black people.

So wait, you na live ina racist country? You done lef?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">her to the point where she gives blow by blow accounts from time to time</div></div>
he? wa yu mean? this is the first time i am talking about it. it reminds me of older folks who thinks that only those who talk about an issue have a problem with it. again is me one pan ya live ina racist country? me a beg yu
are you not bothered about negative stereotypes that you have to combat? me see yu combat anti-battimanism pan de board
me see yu a combat what you consider anti-rastafarianism.
me see yu combat anti-white sentiments, me see yu a combat everything. an yu a say me mus run? me is not a coward, me na fear a no evil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe she should dress better when she goes out in public.</div></div>
now clothes maketh man. how do you know how i was dressed?
you even manage to turn this around as if i am responsible for the woman's actions. i am willing to pay you a ticket to come here
the only dress better i could have done is bleach.
forwardness.