Race & Ethinic Relations: the UK & Europe vs North America

[Nylah]

Re: Race & Ethinic Relations: the UK & Europe vs North Amer


No, I still come to the same conclusion because the statement is made in comparision to blacks in the U.S. as though blacks in the U.S. are way higher of property owners than U.K blacks. It isnt about statistics lying, it is about the relativity of the point you are making.


Lord knows American racists can argue the same point as you have about U.K blacks and it still not hold true......

anyway, Neutral etal have far more insight IMO.

[Fyah]

Re: Race & Ethinic Relations: the UK & Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">u know I learnt alot on here about black people ..

1) most black british are lazy
2) most are on the dole
3) most live in social housing...
4) most black men are married to white women
5) most black people dont finish high school eveb though university is cheap...
6) most black people dont have any opertunity in the uk.
7) Black people are too stupid to understand the diference between council housign and home ownership.
8) most inter racial couples live in milton keynes...(my favoite)

This has got to beat when you insited I was a woman or when Dr James proposed to me....or the woman who insits I am married to a white ooman....
thanks for the lesson...

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Yes those were CLASSICS!!

Now did Dr. James propose to you before or after I announced you were a woman. THAT is the question. Remember for the longest time I thought Britisha was a man? </div></div>

For someone who ALWAYS RELY ON LINKS TO PROVE YOUR POINT, I am surprised you didn't even bother to take a look on the ones posted.

Your name should be FLIPPER with your back and belly rat self, and the way you flip-flop.

No wonder people here are always so quick to throw your butt under the bus. I've just realized why...!

[Fyah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No, I still come to the same conclusion because the statement is made in comparision to blacks in the U.S. as though blacks in the U.S. are way higher of property owners than U.K blacks. It isnt about statistics lying, it is about the relativity of the point you are making.


Lord knows American racists can argue the same point as you have about U.K blacks and it still not hold true......

anyway, Neutral etal have far more insight IMO.
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Yes. YOU ARE RIGHT.

Thank you!

As to who have more insight, people believe what makes them comfortable so...AGAIN, YOU are RIGHT!

[Tropicana]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

Sardine. Before we go any further please do sit down, calm down, take a deep breath, and take a chill pill before you drop dung from a heart attack or develop a brain aneurysm. A cerebral aneurysm or brain aneurysm is a cerebrovascular disorder in which weakness in the wall of a cerebral artery or vein causes a localized dilation. As the size of an aneurysm increases, there is an increased risk of rupture, which can result in severe hemorrhage or other complications.

<span style="font-weight: bold"> Now please carefully read what I am about to write.</span>

I was not making fun of you. If it came across that way, I do apologize. That was NOT my intention. I guess I should not have quoted Wahalla's entire statement. I do apologize for the confusion this has caused. My laughter had NOTHING to do with you. I was laughing at the last part of what he wrote. For the longest time I DID think he was a man and this confused poor Rev. James who I believe made a pass at him and proposed to him. It is an old joke between us and we haven't spoken of it for a long time.

My post should have read:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This has got to beat when you insited I was a woman or when Dr James proposed to me....or the woman who insits I am married to a white ooman....
thanks for the lesson...</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> those were CLASSICS!!

Now did Dr. James propose to you before or after I announced you were a woman. THAT is the question. Remember for the longest time I thought Britisha was a man? </div></div>

As I have had to re-boot my computer and log back in, I can't go back and correct it.

<span style="font-weight: bold">EDITED TO ADD: </span> Well what do you know, I WAS able to go back in and fix it. So, it should be clear now that I am not making fun of you or encouraging others to do so.


<span style="font-weight: bold">We have never met or interacted before. In fact this is the first time I have seen or even heard you. I have absolutely NO axe to grind with you. I was not laughing at you. Once again, I do sincerely apologize if it came across that way to you or others. I hope that we an engage in a fruitful and constructive discussion.</span>

Now back on topic. There is NO WAY that <span style="font-weight: bold">most</span> of the Black in the UK could be on the dole (or what we call welfare in North America). I also would have to look carefully at your statistics because again, I would have to be shown data to back up your assertion that MOST blacks in the UK have not finished high school. Until I am shown those figures in Black and White, I am sorry I just don't buy it.

Finally, I don't back up my arguments with links. I link to websites that show facts figures and data which, IMHO, carry far more weight than just MY opinion or any one else's opinion or family experience for that matter.

No I have not had a chance to look at the sites to which you have linked. Thank you for sharing them. I have actually been working today. Alas, I have to earn my keep and can only take a breather once in a while to post. I will look at those sites later when I have time to concentrate on them and post my comments.

[britisha]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

Tropicana, yuh working today, Sunday?

[Nylah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sardine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No, I still come to the same conclusion because the statement is made in comparision to blacks in the U.S. as though blacks in the U.S. are way higher of property owners than U.K blacks. It isnt about statistics lying, it is about the relativity of the point you are making.


Lord knows American racists can argue the same point as you have about U.K blacks and it still not hold true......

anyway, Neutral etal have far more insight IMO.
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Yes. YOU ARE RIGHT.

Thank you!

As to who have more insight, people believe what makes them comfortable so...AGAIN, YOU are RIGHT! </div></div>

okie dokie

I have no need to feel comfortable or uncomfortable about anything concerning other black folks but once again...okie dokie.

Those that actually live in the system whether you or I like it or not, are going to have better insights compared to anecdotal evidence we would like to offer.

[Fyah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sardine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No, I still come to the same conclusion because the statement is made in comparision to blacks in the U.S. as though blacks in the U.S. are way higher of property owners than U.K blacks. It isnt about statistics lying, it is about the relativity of the point you are making.


Lord knows American racists can argue the same point as you have about U.K blacks and it still not hold true......

anyway, Neutral etal have far more insight IMO.
</div></div>

Yes. YOU ARE RIGHT.

Thank you!

As to who have more insight, people believe what makes them comfortable so...AGAIN, YOU are RIGHT! </div></div>

okie dokie

I have no need to feel comfortable or uncomfortable about anything concerning other black folks but once again...okie dokie.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Those that actually live in the system whether you or I like it or not, are going to have better insights compared to anecdotal evidence we would like to offer.</span>

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Do you really believe that Nylah? I am not going to argue with you, but you must see that what you've just said is RIDICULOUS. You are going to tell me that no one &quot;who live in the system&quot; can be DILUSIONAL? I think I have my answer, but thought I'd ask anyhow.

[Tropicana]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tropicana, yuh working today, Sunday? </div></div>

Yes Britisha. Times hard. In this economy, one has to work harder and harder to earn each and every dollar. I have been going through all of my old e-mails and touching bases with everyone who has ever done business with me or requested a quote. I have been doing that gradually over the last few weeks. I did go to service this morning. Came home and relaxed a bit but, I've been at it for 5 hours and I am not done yet. AY SAH!!

I think I will take a break, watch Celebrity Apprentice and come back again later.

How have you been keeping?

[Nylah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sardine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sardine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

No, I still come to the same conclusion because the statement is made in comparision to blacks in the U.S. as though blacks in the U.S. are way higher of property owners than U.K blacks. It isnt about statistics lying, it is about the relativity of the point you are making.


Lord knows American racists can argue the same point as you have about U.K blacks and it still not hold true......

anyway, Neutral etal have far more insight IMO.
</div></div>

Yes. YOU ARE RIGHT.

Thank you!

As to who have more insight, people believe what makes them comfortable so...AGAIN, YOU are RIGHT! </div></div>

okie dokie

I have no need to feel comfortable or uncomfortable about anything concerning other black folks but once again...okie dokie.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Those that actually live in the system whether you or I like it or not, are going to have better insights compared to anecdotal evidence we would like to offer.</span>

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Do you really believe that Nylah? I am not going to argue with you, but you must see that what you've just said is RIDICULOUS. You are going to tell me that no one &quot;who live in the system&quot; can be DILUSIONAL? I think I have my answer, but thought I'd ask anyhow.

aye sah....you seem like you are spoiling for a fight and I have no interest in one.

No one says they cannot be dillusional but making general grand sweeping statements like &quot;most&quot; and &quot;all&quot; about a group can be intrepeted as just as dillusional.

So if you need to state that I am being ridiculous so be it. You can own that statement and I wont quibble with you.

walk good.

[Fyah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sardine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Do you really believe that Nylah? I am not going to argue with you, but you must see that what you've just said is RIDICULOUS. You are going to tell me that no one &quot;who live in the system&quot; can be DILUSIONAL? I think I have my answer, but thought I'd ask anyhow. </div></div>

aye sah....you seem like you are spoiling for a fight and I have no interest in one.

No one says they cannot be dillusional but <span style="font-weight: bold">making general grand sweeping statements like &quot;most&quot; and &quot;all&quot; about a group</span> can be intrepeted as just as dillusional.

So if you need to state that I am being ridiculous so be it. You can own that statement and I wont quibble with you.

walk good. </div></div>

CHRIST!!!!!

DO YOU SELECTIVE READ JUST TO BE CONTENTIOUS? IT IS SUNDAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! If you WON'T quibble. <span style="font-weight: bold">WHERE IN THIS LIST BELOW DID YOU SEE THE WORD ALL? WHERE???? SHOW ME! If you can't then YES YOU ARE BEING FREAKING RIDICULOUS!!!! </span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My brothers and sister who were born and still live in England have this to say about it.

1. It cannot be compared to America. Blacks there do not have the same support or drive to &quot;change&quot; anything.

2. Most inter-racial marriages are by people who tend to have been born and lived in the same small town and are of the same socio-economic status. They live in Milton Keynes.

3. Most white women who marry black men (Jamaicans are mostly the blacks who marry whites as most Africans tend to stick with their own) would not be the &quot;Wall Street&quot; types.

4. Most Black men who'd be considered professionals who marry white women are soccer players PERIOD. You do not find an equal number of successful white women marrying black men, nor white men (regardless of the profession) who are professionals marrying inter-racially.

5. Apart from a fair few, not many black women work in corporate. They are mostly independent business professionals (restaurant workers, hairdressers) or social workers, teachers and nurses, bus drivers and train operators. They do not have a balanced group in what they call the &quot;cleaner jobs&quot; such as banks etc.

6. Most blacks in England do not own property and are still on the &quot;dole&quot;. Many have not gone past high school and although advanced education is fairly cheap, many do not take advantage of it.

7. In Europe, to a majority of Europeans, black people are relatively invisible, except for the few who went on vacation to the Caribbean or Africa and found themselves a young man with wash-board stomach to parade around the town square.

8. Similar to the systemic plot of Americans placing a high number of black men in jail, the British does the same, except that they also place blacks in the psychiatric hospitals in high, high numbers, which makes them essential a write-off.

Black people in England seem content with whatever they are doing and I doubt most of them are &quot;bov-vered&quot;. </div></div>

[Tropicana]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

Sardine, please calm down. No one is attacking you. There are differences of opinion but that's it. There is no need to take it personally.

We are discussing an important topic. Let's keep this on track before this gets locked down.

[Nylah]

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Sardine, what the heck is wrong with you? Take some of Tropi's advice and calm the hell down......and lose the caps cause the only one screaming here is you.

[Fyah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sardine, please calm down. No one is attacking you. There are differences of opinion but that's it. There is no need to take it personally.

We are discussing an important topic. Let's keep this on track before this gets locked down. </div></div>

Don't YOU tell me what to do. If you were being accused as above you would have been on it like stink on ish, so please...

[Fyah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Sardine, what the heck is wrong with you? Take some of Tropi's advice and calm the hell down......and lose the caps cause the only one screaming here is you.

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Don't even try it Nylah. Go ahead and <span style="font-weight: bold">SHOW ME WHERE I'VE GENERALIZED!!! YOU JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT.</span>

[Nylah]

Re: Race &amp; Ethinic Relations: the UK &amp; Europe vs North Amer

Here is where you have generalized:

2. Most inter-racial marriages are by people who tend to have been born and lived in the same small town and are of the same socio-economic status. They live in Milton Keynes.

3. Most white women who marry black men (Jamaicans are mostly the blacks who marry whites as most Africans tend to stick with their own) would not be the &quot;Wall Street&quot; types.

4. Most Black men who'd be considered professionals who marry white women are soccer players PERIOD. You do not find an equal number of successful white women marrying black men, nor white men (regardless of the profession) who are professionals marrying inter-racially.

5. Apart from a fair few, not many black women work in corporate. They are mostly independent business professionals (restaurant workers, hairdressers) or social workers, teachers and nurses, bus drivers and train operators. They do not have a balanced group in what they call the &quot;cleaner jobs&quot; such as banks etc.

6. Most blacks in England do not own property and are still on the &quot;dole&quot;. Many have not gone past high school and although advanced education is fairly cheap, many do not take advantage of it.

7. In Europe, to a majority of Europeans, black people are relatively invisible, except for the few who went on vacation to the Caribbean or Africa and found themselves a young man with wash-board stomach to parade around the town square.

8. Similar to the systemic plot of Americans placing a high number of black men in jail, the British does the same, except that they also place blacks in the psychiatric hospitals in high, high numbers, which makes them essential a write-off.

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And, I dont need to lose my mind on you to disagree with what you wrote above or call you &quot;freakin ridiculous&quot; and the rest. When someone disagrees with you why you need to carry on like that?

Anyway, all of the above statements are sweeping generalizations.