Race & Ethinic Relations: the UK & Europe vs North America

**Nylah** · 03-15-2009, 09:42 PM

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and ever tell me what I can try or not try cause I have no need to take back any chat.

you still need to tone down the screaming. Nothing in this conversation is worth the angst you are displaying.

**Tropicana** · 03-15-2009, 09:43 PM

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Sardine any time someone uses the words ALL or MOST referring to ANYTHING that's generalizing. If you are going to say negative things about <span style="font-weight: bold">MOST</span> Black people in the UK or anywhere else for that matter, you need to be prepared to back it up.

Listen, I have apologized for the misunderstanding re: my comments to Wahalla and I can do no more. You are being defensive for no reason. You have been asked twice by me and once by Nylah to calm down. Since you insist on trying to provoke an argument and you are attacking others when no one has attacked you, I am not going to say anything further to you at this point.

Enjoy the rest of your evening. We'll try again perhaps some other day.

**neutral** · 03-15-2009, 09:44 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is where you have generalized:

2. Most inter-racial marriages are by people who tend to have been born and lived in the same small town and are of the same socio-economic status. They live in Milton Keynes.

3. Most white women who marry black men (Jamaicans are mostly the blacks who marry whites as most Africans tend to stick with their own) would not be the "Wall Street" types.

4. Most Black men who'd be considered professionals who marry white women are soccer players PERIOD. You do not find an equal number of successful white women marrying black men, nor white men (regardless of the profession) who are professionals marrying inter-racially.

5. Apart from a fair few, not many black women work in corporate. They are mostly independent business professionals (restaurant workers, hairdressers) or social workers, teachers and nurses, bus drivers and train operators. They do not have a balanced group in what they call the "cleaner jobs" such as banks etc.

6. Most blacks in England do not own property and are still on the "dole". Many have not gone past high school and although advanced education is fairly cheap, many do not take advantage of it.

7. In Europe, to a majority of Europeans, black people are relatively invisible, except for the few who went on vacation to the Caribbean or Africa and found themselves a young man with wash-board stomach to parade around the town square.

8. Similar to the systemic plot of Americans placing a high number of black men in jail, the British does the same, except that they also place blacks in the psychiatric hospitals in high, high numbers, which makes them essential a write-off.

And, I dont need to lose my mind on you to disagree with what you wrote above or call you "freakin ridiculous" and the rest. When someone disagrees with you why you need to carry on like that?

Anyway, all of the above statements are sweeping generalizations. </div></div>

I must admit,it`s all generalisations,and when I first read it I thought it looked like something that a racist person would write about blacks in the UK.

**britisha** · 03-15-2009, 09:48 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tropicana, yuh working today, Sunday? </div></div>

Yes Britisha. Times hard. In this economy, one has to work harder and harder to earn each and every dollar. I have been going through all of my old e-mails and touching bases with everyone who has ever done business with me or requested a quote. I have been doing that gradually over the last few weeks. I did go to service this morning. Came home and relaxed a bit but, I've been at it for 5 hours and I am not done yet. AY SAH!!

I think I will take a break, watch Celebrity Apprentice and come back again later.

How have you been keeping? </div></div>

I'm as good as *I* allow myself to be. Trying not to get too involved in the current financial fiasco and morbid stories. I think that once I have my health, I am a winner..

As the parson said today, something about God helping you only TODAY, for yesterday is gone, and tomorrow is promised to noone...hoping everything is well with you Be happy !!

**Tropicana** · 03-15-2009, 09:48 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is where you have generalized:

2.<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000"> Most</span> </span>inter-racial marriages are by people who tend to have been born and lived in the same small town and are of the same socio-economic status. They live in Milton Keynes.

3. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Most</span> </span>white women who marry black men (Jamaicans are mostly the blacks who marry whites as most Africans tend to stick with their own) would not be the "Wall Street" types.

4.<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: #FF0000">Most </span></span>Black men who'd be considered professionals who marry white women are soccer players PERIOD. You do not find an equal number of successful white women marrying black men, nor white men (regardless of the profession) who are professionals marrying inter-racially.

5. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Apart from a fair few</span></span>, <span style="font-weight: bold">not many black women </span>work in corporate. They are mostly independent business professionals (restaurant workers, hairdressers) or social workers, teachers and nurses, bus drivers and train operators. They do not have a balanced group in what they call the "cleaner jobs" such as banks etc.

6. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Most</span></span> blacks in England do not own property and are still on the "dole". Many have not gone past high school and although advanced education is fairly cheap, many do not take advantage of it.

7. In Europe, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">to a majority of Europeans</span></span>, black people are relatively invisible, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">except for the few</span> </span>who went on vacation to the Caribbean or Africa and found themselves a young man with wash-board stomach to parade around the town square.

8. Similar to the systemic plot of Americans placing a high number of black men in jail, the British does the same, except that they also place blacks in the psychiatric hospitals in high, high numbers, which makes them essential a write-off.

And, I dont need to lose my mind on you to disagree with what you wrote above or call you "freakin ridiculous" and the rest. When someone disagrees with you why you need to carry on like that?

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Anyway, all of the above statements are sweeping generalizations. </span> </span></div></div>

I must admit,it`s all generalisations,and when I first read it I thought it looked like something that a racist person would write about blacks in the UK. </div></div>

Exactly.

**Tropicana** · 03-15-2009, 09:50 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tropicana, yuh working today, Sunday? </div></div>

Yes Britisha. Times hard. In this economy, one has to work harder and harder to earn each and every dollar. I have been going through all of my old e-mails and touching bases with everyone who has ever done business with me or requested a quote. I have been doing that gradually over the last few weeks. I did go to service this morning. Came home and relaxed a bit but, I've been at it for 5 hours and I am not done yet. AY SAH!!

I think I will take a break, watch Celebrity Apprentice and come back again later.

How have you been keeping? </div></div>

I'm as good as *I* allow myself to be. Trying not to get too involved in the current financial fiasco and morbid stories. I think that once I have my health, I am a winner..

As the parson said today, something about God helping you only TODAY, for yesterday is gone, and tomorrow is promised to noone...hoping everything is well with you Be happy !! </div></div>

Well looks like you have the right attitude for these times. I hope all goes well with you too.

**britisha** · 03-15-2009, 10:18 PM

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...and Tropi, I still have cousins in England. Most if not all of their children are highly educated, own their own homes and REFUSE to move to the US to live...

One cousin of mine who lived in England since he was 15 and studied to be a draughtsman, followed the show-off Jamaican wife to the US...they bought their house for cash in NY with English money, then sold it and moved to Texas in the oil boom...mek a long storie shaawt, the house was devalued after the slump, they lived on their savings for a while, took odd jobs in Texas... and dem move back bruk to Jamaica..an a look fi goh back a Hinglan now. .

**Tropicana** · 03-15-2009, 10:28 PM

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Wow!!. They've been through a lot. I have heard a lot of good things about prospects for Black professionals in the UK. Now of course that doesn't mean that there aren't challenges.

**britisha** · 03-15-2009, 10:36 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow!!. They've been through a lot. I have heard a lot of good things about prospects for Black professionals in the UK. Now of course that doesn't mean that there aren't challenges. </div></div>

There were a lot of blacks who didn't do well in Brixton for example...as far as I know, these were the bebop boys who went to England and still behaved like they were in Kingston on the corner...I saw that with my own eyes...many others did well, becoming doctors and nurses and can buy and sell many a britisher, anyday..

**neutral** · 03-15-2009, 10:40 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There were a lot of blacks who didn't do well in Brixton for example...as far as I know, these were the bebop boys who went to England and still behaved like they were in Kingston on the corner...I saw that with my own eyes...many others did well, becoming doctors and nurses and can buy and sell many a britisher, anyday.. </div></div>

You`ve summed it up spot on,.....well done.

**Tropicana** · 03-15-2009, 10:41 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

There were a lot of blacks who didn't do well in Brixton for example...as far as I know, these were the bebop boys who went to England and still behaved like they were in Kingston on the corner...I saw that with my own eyes...many others did well, becoming doctors and nurses and can buy and sell many a britisher, anyday.. </div></div>

You`ve summed it up spot on,.....well done. </div></div>

That was my impression. Anyway, going to get some light refreshments and curl up on the couch and watch Celebrity Apprentice. This has been a great discussion. Please keep it coming. I am learning a lot.

**neutral** · 03-15-2009, 10:43 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That was my impression. Anyway, going to get some light refreshments and curl up on the couch and watch Celebrity Apprentice. This has been a great discussion. Please keep it coming. I am learning a lot. </div></div>

Wish I could curl up on that couch with you (dont tell wifey)...lol !

**Tropicana** · 03-15-2009, 10:44 PM

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If you ever free, remember, you know where to find me and I would move go a inglan in a flash.

Enjoy your evening.

**Fyah** · 03-15-2009, 11:26 PM

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You can say what you want, but the STATS and the ARTICLES, speak for themselves. <span style="font-weight: bold">I</span> don't give a hoot either way...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Education: Black Caribbean children held back by institutional racism in schools, says study</span> READ IF YOU SO CHOOSE!

<span style="font-weight: bold">The mixed race march in Britain

About half of men with Caribbean backgrounds in Britain is in a relationship with a partner of a different race.</span>
READ IF YOU SO CHOOSE

<span style="font-weight: bold">Black Caribbean students' decisions not to progress to professional qualification or indeed in their failure to qualify as a solicitor</span>

IF YOU CARE TO KNOW

Interesting read! If THEY can compare US & UK, why CAN'T we?

<span style="font-weight: bold">Jesse Jackson calls for more black students at UK universities</span> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nadine Simpson, aged 21, who is about to graduate with an Oxford theology degree, said she came from an Afro-Caribbean community where no one went to university. She had wanted something different for herself and to be in a position where she could help others to improve their lives, so she determined that she would go to one of Britain's best universities.
</div></div>

JESSIE'S PLEA HERE

<span style="font-weight: bold">Black Caribbeans do better in America than in England</span> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"A common British perception is that Caribbeans who have settled in America endure similar levels of disadvantage to their black American counterparts and to Caribbeans living in England," Nazroo said. "But actually, our research shows that they do well and, beyond their experiences of racism, much better than Caribbeans in England.</div></div>

READ IT OR DON'T - Your choice!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Social housing is a very significant part of the housing stock in the UK, accounting for about 25 percent of all housing. Social housing – consisting of local authority public housing and non-profit housing association dwellings – continues to provide accommodation to more than 5 million households, by no means all of them low income. Social housing remains important, and continues to have a substantial constituency – despite the loss of about four out of every ten local authority (council) dwellings to sales, transfers and demolitions over the past two decades (losses only partially offset by the increase in housing association dwellings) and despite the ostensible “residualisation” of social housing as the UK has been swept by the US-style idealisation and ideology of private speculative homeownership. In the US, by contrast, publicly subsidised housing comprises only about 5 percent of the stock, and most of this is not truly social, i.e., owned by public or not-for-profit entities. Rather, most subsidised housing in the US is owned by profit-making companies and individuals who receive various types of public subsidies that reduce rents for residents while assuring profits for investors. Unlike social housing in the UK, subsidised housing in the US has always been “residual” and served a predominantly low income population. This difference is not, however, due to more widespread homeownership in the US: indeed both nations have virtually identical rates of homeownership, slightly under 70 percent. The difference in scale is due primarily to the existence of a much larger and more powerful private rental industry in the US, which has long and effectively prevented...

There are about 5.2 million social housing units in the UK. Two-thirds are local authority rental units, while one-third are with housing associations.

6Issues relating to the ownership of social housing in the UK logically fall into three categories:

!The uncertain future of council housing

!The rapid rise of housing associations

! pressure to transfer management of un-transferred stock to private entities

! pressure to mortgage un-transferred stock </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Demographic change in the UK has converged with housing policies over several decades to produce many social housing estates with high proportions of people with very low incomes and low rates of participation in the paid labour force (Taylor, 1998). Furthermore, after a long period of discriminatory denial of access to social housing for members of <span style="font-weight: bold">Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) groups, by the early 1980s some BME populations had become statistically over-represented in social housing. </span> </div></div>

REALLY WANNA LEARN MORE?

Can't be bothered...you all have access to a computer too.

**Fyah** · 03-15-2009, 11:38 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

and ever tell me what I can try or not try cause I have no need to take back any chat.

you still need to tone down the screaming. Nothing in this conversation is worth the angst you are displaying. </div></div>

WHATEVER! DON'T PROVOKE AND THEN TRY AND PLAY THE ALICE GAME. AS I SAID EARLIER, AS ALWAYS YOU ARE RIGHT!

YOU KNOW WHAT? IT IS SURELY A FULL MOON.

HOWL!!!

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