One Drop Rule & Self Loathing Blacks

[Tropicana]

Re: One Drop Rule & Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ceabee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine she ban u from here cause u poas har ting </div></div>

What is she here? Man oh man im making my head SPIN!!!!! Mi try fe read it 6 times a'ready

[neutral]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blackberryrain</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol! Yep, he's something else ..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anonymouse's posting privilege is hereby suspended until midnight, January 3, 2008 for violating paragraphs 1.22 and 3.2 of The Rules. Specifically, Anonymouse made an improbable claim and failed to provide a source when asked. The claim was that all West Indians would consider a person in the sample photo above to be &quot;black.&quot; Rather than providing a source, Anonymouse treated the administrator's request as a challenge and defended his rules violation with five evasions as follows:

1. Anonymouse said he was talking only about Trinidadians, rather than all West Indians. In fact, his words were (post 33955): &quot;for her to say she isn't sure whether she is black, spanish, indian or white would be looked upon as a foolish statement by any West Indian....&quot;

2. Anomymouse repeatedly denied that the Caribbean islands of Spanish culture are part of the West Indies.

3. Anonymouse implied that by claiming West Indian heritage, he was exempt from having to provide sources for his assertion (post 33959): &quot;I am West Indian and I know my people. And as a West Indian I have a better grasp of race, racial identities, racial politics and racial struggles than a non-west indian.&quot; This is not only arrogant and ignorant, but it insults the many scholars of every nation who have spent years studying &quot;racial&quot; perception in the West Indies and whose peer-reviewed published works are part of the curriculum at all three campuses of the University of the West Indies.

4. Anonymouse demanded that the administrator provide sources to disprove Anonymouse's original claim (post 33963): &quot;you say my statements are contradicted by Harry Hoetink yet I fail to see where Mr. Hoetink addresses the population of Trinidad &amp; Tobago. Please show me where my statements regarding race, racial identity in Trinidad &amp; Tobago are contradicted by Mr. Hoetink.&quot; No. It does not work that way. Anonymouse made an implausible statement of fact. He was asked to provide sources as per the rules. The administrator made no statement of fact (other than the Caribbean islands of Spanish culture are part of the West Indies, which any map will confirm). Having made no factual claim, the administrator is under no obligation to provide sources.

5. Anonymouse implied that it is impossible to study the varying ways that people of the West Indies perceive &quot;race.&quot; He wrote (post 33963): &quot;22 hours to do what? Query the population of Trinidad &amp; Tobago? This is absurd.&quot; If Anonymouse believes that the only way to defend his original implausible claim is to &quot;query the population of Trinidad &amp; Tobago,&quot; then he should not have made the claim. But in fact, many scholars of &quot;racial&quot; perception have conducted detailed studies in all of the West Indies, especially in Trinidad and Tobago. Among these are: Oliver Cromwell Cox, Caste, Class, and Race: A Study in Social Dynamics (Garden City NY: Doubleday, 1948); Winthrop D. Jordan, &quot;American Chiaroscuro: The Status and Definition of Mulattoes in the British Colonies,&quot; in Slavery in the New World: A Reader in Comparative History, ed. Laura Foner and Eugene D. Genovese (Englewood Cliffs NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1969); F. James Davis, Who is Black?: One Nation's Definition (University Park PA: State University of Pennsylvania, 1991); Hilary Beckles, A History of Barbados: From Amerindian Settlement to Nation-State (Cambridge UK, 1990); Eric Foner, Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution (New York, 1988); Arnold A. Sio, &quot;Marginality and Free Coloured Identity in Caribbean Slave Society,&quot; in Caribbean Slave Society and Economy: A Student Reader, ed. Hilary Beckles and Verene Shepherd (New York, 1991); and of course, the most highly respected expert on the topic, Harry Hoetink, Caribbean Race Relations: A Study of Two Variants (London: Oxford University, 1971).

As mentioned above, in my administrator's role I have no obligation to &quot;disprove&quot; Anonymouse's implausible claim about the West Indies, nor even just about Trinidad. Nevertheless, in my pedagogical role I must point out the most glaring inaccuracy in Anonymouse's claim: Every expert on the subject, as well as every Jamaican, Barbadian, and Trinidadian of my acquaintance whom I have asked to examine the photo, agree that the person in question would be considered &quot;coloured,&quot; not &quot;black&quot; in the Anglophone West Indies. Indeed, a three-label system is the hallmark of &quot;racial&quot; perception in every former British colony outside of North America. As a matter of fact, until recently, coloured and black Trinidadians even had different privileges under island law.
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Well I`m certainly grateful that we dont have a-hole administrators like that on this board....as yet.

[X]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

unno nuh know whey unno a chat bout..
unno ever heard of the Ecklacks or the Ziomobites?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't heard, but on the other hand you have dismissed outright the burning and looting of these persons businesses, maybe it was in response to that? </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">I absolutely did NOT dismiss it!!!!!</span> Are you suffering from Alzeihmers or something?</div></div>

Nope!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">...and during the 1970s. I am not making light of the suffering that these families endured or of their losses. It wasn't right for them to be targeted in that manner.</span></span> </div></div>

It was not just some homes were torched in the 70s I already explained that. It was homes and businesses of so-called White Jamaicans and other minorities.
Their homes and business were not just torched but they were systematically driven out of Jamaica all the way up till 2007.

The last known attack against a Chinese family was about 1979. A family living and doing business at Princess Street, four (4) Members of the family were shot to death, their dogs poisoned and their house and business razed.

What do you have to say about that?

Can you show me any comparable attacks on Black Skinned Jamaicans by lighter skinned Jamaicans?
Can you show me any pogrom by light skinned Jamaicans sustained over decades that sought to drive out Blacks out of their homes and take their property?

Or are you going to come with your old fallback the <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade</span>?

[britisha]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You brain-washed folks need to watch THE IMITATION OF LIFE. Here is a clip. <object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WGMwJxUyw8M&amp;feature=related"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WGMwJxUyw8M&amp;feature=related" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object>

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A picture is worth more than a thousand words ...don't it?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">So some homes and business were torched during slave uprisings</span>....</span></div></div>

Only an idiot, a liar or truly vile and evil person would constantly and consistently try to conflate the terrible treatment of Africans during the period of Slavery with events over a century later where Jamaica having become a Free Country is now peopled with the offsprings of Slaves, Slave Owners and persons who came to Jamaica to seek fortune, maybe fame, fresh air or all the above, some of whom have progressed further than others.

The Nazis had intelligent men and women like you, who did the same thing to the Jews, Gypsies, Blacks and undesirables. They were willing to prostitute their intelligence for the cause. To conflate, inflate, spin and use half-truths to bludgeon their perceived enemies into submission.

[britisha]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KD_09</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DotCom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KD_09</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not all whites follow the one drop rule, and a high high brownin can still get by with most. So you want to tell me a high high brownin born in the middle of iowa never set foot into anything resembling &quot;black&quot; culture is &quot;black&quot;? Get real.

real black Africans don't consider us in the Caribbean to be &quot;black&quot;as we are polluted too. So why use the white mans standard and not the real black mans standard?

It's important to know who your heritage, and be aware of what you are. <span style="font-weight: bold">But dividing yourself into rigid lines is counterproductive and perpetuates those divisions we are trying to break down. </span>

out of many one people. most of us are neither black nor white we are mixed and not a damn thing wrong with being a mongrel, or having a mongrel culture. </div></div>

Only brain-washed blacks think like this. Did you know that? You will never find another group of human beings so bent on integrating. Other groups work hard to STAY DIVIDED, except of course the brain-washed among us. Always fighting to be a part of what the powers that be work to keep apart. It is and will always be the reason for the those who stay at the bottom. Rather than simply and silently rise to the top, them sit at the bottom begging to become a part of and fighting against divide... </div></div>

You mean like how people like you and the rastas are sitting at the bottom begging to be part of some African blackness that does not identify with us nor wants us by and large?

I am happy building up my mixbreed caribbean with my fellow mixed breeds. I am not trying to be white and claim anything from them, I am not trying to be african and claim anything from them. I am here now trying to make Jamaica my own and say this is mine. </div></div>

Good thing you are speaking for yourself and NOT for all black Jamaicans.

[britisha]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">So some homes and business were torched during slave uprisings</span>....</span></div></div>

Only an idiot, a liar or truly vile and evil person would constantly and consistently try to conflate the terrible treatment of Africans during the period of Slavery with events over a century later where Jamaica having become a Free Country is now peopled with the offsprings of Slaves, Slave Owners and persons who came to Jamaica to seek fortune, maybe fame, fresh air or all the above, some of whom have progressed further than others.

The Nazis had intelligent men and women like you, who did the same thing to the Jews, Gypsies, Blacks and undesirables. They were willing to prostitute their intelligence for the cause. To conflate, inflate, spin and use half-truths to bludgeon their perceived enemies into submission.
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These are very harsh words, why?

[Seveen]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

if you believe in the &quot;one drop&quot; rule

than the whole world is black

and that means what . . .

i still have to get up and do - food shelter clothing

[Tuff Gong]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These are very harsh words, why? </div></div>

Making idiotic claims deserves to be slapped down in the harshest language.

Writing your answers in insulting 20-point size, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">you need a talking to.</span>

Intimidating that I am suffering from Alzheimer’s because I won't accept your spin, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">should be cause from bloodletting.</span>

Further claiming that I could not be born in Jamaica because I did not hear or see white Jamaicans plotting against blacks, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">that is just sick and you need to be taken out for it.</span>

Calling me a liar, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">well you have just provided me the noose to hang you.</span>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Besides it is the truth!</span>

[britisha]

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Everybody need fi stay calm...as wi used to seh in Jamaica, two things whey bring blood letting are the discussion of Religion and the discussion of Politics...some a wi need fi kip calm, really calm...what if oono cuddah si oono wan aneddda...*chukkle*

[Seveen]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These are very harsh words, why? </div></div>

Making idiotic claims deserves to be slapped down in the harshest language.

Writing your answers in insulting 20-point size, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">you need a talking to.</span>

Intimidating that I am suffering from Alzheimer’s because I won't accept your spin, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">should be cause from bloodletting.</span>

Further claiming that I could not be born in Jamaica because I did not hear or see white Jamaicans plotting against blacks, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">that is just sick and you need to be taken out for it.</span>

Calling me a liar, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">well you have just provided me the noose to hang you.</span>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Besides it is the truth!</span>
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don't let idiots overcome you tuff!

stand above the &quot;fray&quot;

[Tuff Gong]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everybody need fi stay calm...as wi used to seh in Jamaica, two things whey bring blood letting are the discussion of Religion and the discussion of Politics...some a wi need fi kip calm, really calm...what if oono cuddah si oono wan aneddda...*chukkle* </div></div>
Well why didn't we see this when she was able to label and chastise any and everyone who took issue with her?

Another laughable, dishonest, chilling narrative that some many here on both sides have seemingly subscribed to is the notion that we can seamlessly graft the USA/Canada/English Experience onto Jamaica.

We start off with a discussion of Jamaica/about Jamaica/Jamaicans and related matters by the second line we start to hear cow manure about W.E.B. Dubois, Imitation of life, etc....
What I want proof of is how many white Jamaicans/self-loathing blacks are passing as white away from Jamaica, where are they, the proof that they got their hinny kicked?

This dishonest charade is was passes for discussion on this board, then you hear fool-fool people talking about those of us they claim cannot tolerate discussions on Jamaica vis-à-vis race?

[britisha]

Re: One Drop Rule &amp; Self Loathing Blacks

LOL !!


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