zionism iss natt racism

[evanovitch]

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England! awake! awake! awake!
Jerusalem thy Sister calls!
Why wilt thou sleep the sleep of death
And close her from thy ancient walls?


Thy hills and valleys felt her feet
Gently upon their bosoms move:
Thy gates beheld sweet Zion's ways:
Then was a time of joy and love.


And now the time returns again:
Our souls exult, and London's towers
Receive the Lamb of God to dwell
In England's green and pleasant bowers.



<span style="font-weight: bold">About Jerusalem, A Poem by William Blake </span>
The poem Jerusalem (1804), by William Blake, is actually an excerpt from the preface to one of his &quot;prophetic books&quot;, Milton.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Jerusalem is here the symbolic residence of a humanity freed of the inter-related chains of commerce, British imperialism, and war.</span> Blake's &quot;mental fight&quot; is directed against these chains.

In his Blake: Prophet Against Empire, David Erdman tells us that Blake's &quot;dark, Satanic Mills&quot; are &quot;mills that produce dark metal,
iron and steel, for diabolic purposes . . . . London . . . was a war arsenal and the hub of the machinery of war, and Blake uses the symbol in that sense.&quot;

[evanovitch]

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http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm

interesting if u wan fi tek di time fi read till u reach di pawt fi do wid di creation of di State of Israel etc

[evanovitch]

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http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/lappin_yiisa072.pdf

further reading into Anglo-Jewish relationship in Britain

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Jewish Star

Sailor’s role in the birth of Israel
By Dr. Rafael Medoff
Issue of May 1, 2009

His neighbors don’t know it, but on the quiet, palm tree-lined streets of Port Saint Lucie, the Mets spring training headquarters on the South Florida coast, lives an unsung hero of the fight for Israeli independence.

Jeno Berkovits, 90, was one of the gutsy American veterans of World War II who, instead of taking a well-deserved rest after returning from the war against Hitler, chose to sign up for a tour of duty in another war. He is among the dwindling group of American veterans of the battle to create Israel. On the eve of Israel’s 61st birthday, he agreed to his first-ever interview about those days.

Berkovits came to the United States from Hungary with his family in 1930. They settled in Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, and Berkovits attended the Boys &amp; Girls High School of Brooklyn. Lena Horne was a classmate; Isaac Asimov was one year behind them. “But what happened to a lot of boys in those days happened to me too,” he recalls. “My family needed me to help make ends meet, so I dropped out of school and went to work alongside my father in a factory making neckties.”

When America entered World War Two, Berkovits became a Merchant Marine. He spent the next five years on ships in various locales from the California coast to the Caribbean to Europe. The world war finally ended, but in British Mandatory Palestine a Jewish war raged. Home for less than a year when “I read in the newspaper one morning that a group called the American League for a Free Palestine was looking for sailors,” Berkovits says. “They wanted us to help bring Holocaust survivors to Palestine. How could I not go?”

The League, better known as the Bergson Group, was a political action committee that used full-page newspaper ads, rallies, and lobbying in Washington to mobilize support for creating a Jewish state. Now the League was opening a new chapter in its battle. In late 1946, it had purchased a 150-foot yacht that it named the S.S. Ben Hecht in honor of the journalist and screenwriter who was one of the Bergson Group’s leading members, and began outfitting it in Brooklyn’s Gowanus Canal.

“They interviewed me in their office in Manhattan, and soon afterward called to tell me I was accepted to join the crew,” Berkovits recalls. “Officially I was listed as a Messman, someone who serves food, but in practice almost everyone in the crew had to do all kinds of things.”

On December 26, 1946, the Ben Hecht sailed for France with a remarkably diverse crew of volunteers. <span style="font-style: italic">“We had 20 men, with 20 different reasons for joining up,” </span>Captain Robert Levitan said later. One was Walter “Heavy” Greaves, a beefy, tattooed professional sailor who survived three torpedo attacks during World War II. Shaken by a postwar visit to a Displaced Persons camp, Greaves took note when he read “that the Jews wanted a state of their own.” He thought to himself, “Why not, goddamit?,” and signed up for the S.S. Ben Hecht.

Another was Walter Cushenberry, a tall African-American in his thirties, with whom Berkovits became particularly friendly. <span style="font-weight: bold">“As a black man, he knew what it was like to be kicked around, and he didn’t like seeing the Jews get kicked around,” Berkovits said. “We had a crew member who was Irish Catholic and hated the British. We had a Jewish crewman who was religious and put on tefillin every day, and there were others, like me, who weren’t so religious <span style="font-style: italic">but just wanted to help the Jewish cause</span>.”</span>

There were also two young Norwegians, Haakom Lilliby and Erling Sorensen. “They didn’t speak much English and nobody knew quite why they were there,” Berkovits says, “but when the engines broke down, they worked 24 hours straight to get us going again.”

In Port de Buc, France, the ship took on six hundred Jewish refugees. Conditions on board were difficult, but food was never in short supply, thanks to the two thousand pounds of kosher salami donated by a Bergson Group supporter. “It seems to me that we had salami sandwiches every single meal,” according to Berkovits. “But nobody complained.”

On March 8, everything changed. “That afternoon, I happened to be stationed on deck, at the steering wheel,” Berkovits relates. “I still remember how good it felt –– how the air smelled different as we got close to Eretz Yisrael. <span style="font-weight: bold">We were less than 10 miles from the coast of Tel Aviv, when three British destroyers approached and a British patrol plane circled overhead. <span style="font-style: italic">I grabbed this flag, it had a big Jewish star on it, and hoisted it up the mast to show them that we were proud to be Jews fighting for our land</span>.”</span>


<span style="font-weight: bold">British military policemen boarding the S.S. Ben Hecht jumped aboard. They shoved Berkovits aside and quickly took control of the ship. The crew and the passengers were brought to a detention camp in Cyprus where they would end up staying for more than a year, until after Israel’s creation in May 1948.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Dealing with the American crewmen was a more delicate question. While the British government weighed what to do with them, the Americans were taken to the Acre Prison fortress, </span>where they were jailed alongside members of the Irgun Zvai Leumi and Lehi (Stern Group) underground militias. The British authorities would soon regret that. The Irgun men had been planning a break-out, and only one obstacle remained: how to take photographs of the would-be escapees in order to make false identity cards so they could get past British roadblocks. Captain Levitan who had smuggled a small camera into the prison solved that problem.

<span style="font-weight: bold">To London’s dismay, the detention of the Ben Hecht crewmen became a lightning rod for criticism from members of Congress, the American press, and the U.S. Jewish community</span>. <span style="font-style: italic">After holding the seamen for a month, the British decided they were more trouble than they were worth, and put them on a ship bound for New York.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">But even after returning home Berkovits and his colleagues continued to make trouble for the British.</span> <span style="font-style: italic">As a result of the contacts he made with the Jewish underground members in Acre, Berkovits and fellow crewman Harry Herschkowitz established an “American Friends of Lehi” organization. Operating out of a small office in Manhattan, they raised funds and published a newspaper called “Freedom” <span style="font-weight: bold">which sought to rally public support for ousting the British from Palestine.</span></span>

Today, Berkovits, one of three surviving members of the Ben Hecht crew, recalls the events of 1946-1947 with satisfaction. “I am proud of the small role that I played in what happened back then,” he says. “We did what we could, and we did the right thing.”

<span style="font-style: italic">Dr. Medoff is director of The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies and author of blowing the Whistle on Genocide: Josiah E. Dubois, Jr. and the Struggle for a U.S. Response to the Holocaust.</span> </div></div>You are lucky to spoonfeed tyem with it.
half of what most people accept as history is simply <span style="font-weight: bold">hi</span>story.
Only the latter is a figment of dedicated objectives far from tne truth.

[evanovitch]

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this comic does a half hour show every couple years showing how history is shall we say , fiddled with...c

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this comic does a half hour show every couple years showing how history is shall we say , fiddled with...c </div></div>
What I find striking is that ther are educated people here who did not realize that after the destruction of britain during WW2, that Britain did not have any bargaining power with the USA.
They don even understand that after thatwar the only other country hat had the abillity to bargain with the US was the USSR.

Since Other than the US it was only the USSR that came out of the war being able to defend their country against each other.
It is obvious they either does not know much about the effect of the war onthe European allies, or probably very much about the war.

[evanovitch]

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History books still credit Paul Revere with making that ride because his name was more palatable..true he started off but the bulk of, and final leg of the ride wasn't him

[rudemonk]

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that's absurd.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">History books still credit Paul Revere with making that ride because his name was more palatable..true he started off but the bulk of, and final leg of the ride wasn't him

</div></div> Do you know that the grand son of one the The Commander of the American militia is one of my patients?
Yes an the still own the 100 acres of land that was given to him under patent. It is now in Maine though. At that time Maine was a part of Massachusetts. We discussed it and the difference between the dairies and the history. The journals that were recorded by the militia was is different from what we got as history. Anyway the object of history is to create a story that will motivate the population to aspire to special objective. So they treat it like the shooting of a film. They change the story on the cutting table to suit their objective.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that's absurd. </div></div> OK Britain lost all it's income from the colonies after the war. The Lost India, Pakistan Sri Lanka and the majority of their income producing colonies because of the war. since the colonies took the opportunity to instigate for independence at the time when Britain was too busy fighting for survival to prevent it. with the loss of the income from the colonies,through tax collection etc, was the beginning of the end of Britain as a world economic power.
What about that you don't understand?

[evanovitch]

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Which is why there is the tendency to treat the world political stage like a John Wayne script where they will swoop in and make it right...wink..I would say 'pardon the pun'..I

[evanovitch]

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And with the isolationist policy enrich the coffers as Britain had to pay nuff fi armaments ,hence the ascendency of the Eagle and the decline of the Lion,

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which is why there is the tendency to treat the world political stage like a John Wayne script where they will swoop in and make it right...wink..I would say 'pardon the pun'..I </div></div> The bad thing about it is that only a very few and sometimes chosen that re aware that it is really a script.
They are the same ones who are usually quick to claim astonishment when they see stories about achievements by especially blacks that were credited to whites.
even as recently as during 911 the black marine that went home and put his uniform on and start working without ant order.
was depicted as a white person in the documentary even after they were told that it was a black soldier.
Their excuse is that they are not making a literal copy of events. Now in a few years it will be accepted as a tool of learning .
But it still serves the purpose of diminishing the inputs of those you
want to deminish.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And with the isolationist policy enrich the coffers as Britain had to pay nuff fi armaments ,hence the ascendency of the Eagle and the decline of the Lion, </div></div> The obvious, but who would understand that. You forgot that US
was supplying GM engines to Germany in the earlier part of the war.
So they cashed in , while gave the Brits extensive lines of credit for war supplies, long before they got involved.

[rudemonk]

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you stated:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...ther are educated people here who did not realize that after the destruction of britain during WW2, that Britain did not have any bargaining power with the USA.
</div></div>

That is absurd. Great Britain did not crawl under the skirt of the United States after WW2. They had over 1.5 million armed forces in the field, they prosecuted military actions according to their sovereign will in numerous examples which the US frowned on, especially in Palestine!- not least of which and relevant to this discussion was their invasion of Egypt in the late 50s. Not to mention their engagement under UN auspices in Korea. I'll grant it was the threat of a loan withholding from the US that in part withdrew their forces from Egypt...but there is simply no way to make any such statement as what you are presenting. Churchill and then Atlee were there to hold Truman's hand while he dealt with Stalin?

It is one thing to find what are actually rather glaring faults with 'standard' text books and hollywood embellishments, but it's quite another to go off half cocked into fantasy land with all kinds of crazy claims.

And of course, none of this speaks to any of your earlier claims nor supports them...which I for one would still love to see evidence for.

Also, I would point out it was the UK's influence which probably stopped Truman from going apepoo and dropping the bomb in Korea, in case any further falsification of your statement is needed.

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Since Other than the US it was only the USSR that came out of the war being able to defend their country against each other.</div></div>

flatly untrue. after the united states dropped the atom bomb, that became the equalizing defense of sovereignty against opposing or potentially opposing world powers. In addition to what is stated above, it did not take the UK long to become a nuclear power, in the early 50s I believe they developed their first atom bomb.