yaawd african merican/blakk issue

**loops** · 10-26-2009, 12:54 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> shi luv fii gitt unda mii skinn </div></div>

sounds like your daughter is a chip off the ol block.

**kia027** · 10-26-2009, 12:55 PM

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yes many jamaicans have issues with being called african american cause african american is usually associated with Blacks from the US and given we have strong jamaican pride we doan care for that association.

Another issue is that Jamaicans of a certain generation would come, work hard and succeed in america and would have concerns over why the blacks in america did not work as hard to generate the same level of success as jamaicans. The black americans would then respond by calling jamaicans, coconuts, people who have 10 jobs, etc etc etc. .

**Suesumba** · 10-26-2009, 12:57 PM

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lawd i've had too much time off. i don't even know what to say. but as loops says, chip off the old blakk. like my daughter has a nawsty sense of humour. we'd watch titanic and in a supremely bonding moment she'd say "why doesn't jack just climb atop that bouyant fat broad and ride her all the way to the rescue boat?". but i digress.

**jah_yout** · 10-26-2009, 12:57 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii dawtah mekk mii laff. shi luv fii gitt unda mii skinn bye seyinn dat since moas jamaicans cum fram afrikka ann jamaica iss part aff da america dat meen jamaicans ar african meerikkans.

realitee iss dat mii okay widd peeps seyinn jamaicans ar blakk butt mii ave issues widd cawlinn jamaicans afrikkan mericans

mii knoo itt willie lynch ting butt y doo manee jamaicans ave issues widd beeinn cansidar as afrikkan meerikkans </div></div>

'black' people or people of african descent who were born in america is what i usually consider as african-american;
'black' people or people of african descent from jamaica would be african-jamaicans if we use the same criteria

**Suesumba** · 10-26-2009, 12:59 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes many jamaicans have issues with being called african american </div></div>

... also because of the inherent self hatred jamaican blacks abhor anything african. altho that's changing with education. and we know that's the trooth.

**blugiant** · 10-26-2009, 01:00 PM

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Activists: People of Caribbean Descent Must Stand Up as "Black" in 2010 Census</span>

People of Caribbean descent must make themselves known in 2010, says a prominent D.C. advocate.

Dr. Claire A. Nelson, president of the Institute of Caribbean Studies, is working in cooperation with other Black community organizations to urge island immigrants to participate in the coming U.S. Census. A public policy agency, the Institute is a national profile partner, in support of the April 1, 2010 survey.

As discussions about the significance of the next 10-year population count increase, Nelson, a native Jamaican, says that so-called West Indians should step to the forefront.

“Half of the challenge – and this is why this issue of being Black versus African American is important and why we are trying to carry this out, as far as the census is concerned – is where question nine asks about race,” Nelson says. “We want people to be cognizant that the way American policy is organized has a lot to do with the race of the people who respond.”

The ninth question listed on the 2010 Census form asks that respondents identify themselves as White, “Black, African Am., or Negro” or Native/Alaskan.

For the diverse population of African descendants in America, Nelson says it’s key that citizens answer accordingly, rather than ignoring questions or scrutinizing wording. While it’s common for Black and Caribbean citizens, like others of color, to avoid surveys out of concerns for their rights, Nelson argues that everything from safety to economics and private-sector marketing is determined by numbers: “We want to ensure that the U.S policymakers understand there is a Caribbean-American point of view, and that the private-sector understands that there’s a presence of Caribbean people in the Black community.”

Suggestions that Latinos from the Caribbean and elsewhere boycott the census to push the immigration issue are counter-productive, Nelson adds. Some suggest that missing numbers represented by undocumented residents will get the government’s attention.

“We certainly do not support that point of view,” says Nelson.
Today, the Institute of Caribbean Studies promotes the interests of about 5 million island descendants who settled in America before and since its formation in 1993.

Activists like Nelson are encouraging all Blacks to count themselves as "Black" or "African American." She says it is important for her that They say increasing the total number of people of African Descent in America will benefit everybody as opposed to the Black population dividing itself along lines of ethnicity or national origin.

“When I started, it was out of frustration,” Nelson recalls. “…With all of these pundits talking about what should be done in the Caribbean, there were never any Caribbean people talking on the issue.”

To help heighten awareness of next year’s count, the Institute will host its annual Caribbean Heritage Awards on Nov. 13, followed by a “Count Us In” campaign aimed at students and families during Black History Month.
For more information, visit the Web site www.census.gov.

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**Gen** · 10-26-2009, 01:07 PM

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suh now dem want caribbean people fi jine dem ? why dem nevah ask dem fi jine dem all dese years ???

there was an article in the nytimes regarding africans in the bronx and how "african americans" treated them.

**blugiant** · 10-26-2009, 01:07 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> shi luv fii gitt unda mii skinn </div></div>

sounds like your daughter is a chip off the ol block. </div></div>

shii smarter dan mii. 16 ear old widd thirty college credits. mii didd a great job. mii pride ann joy butt doan tell ar itt wood goo traight to ar head

**Gen** · 10-26-2009, 01:11 PM

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For African Immigrants, Bronx Culture Clash Turns Violent

The storefronts on a stretch of Webster Avenue in the South Bronx tell the story of local shifts as well as any census: a Senegalese-run 99-cent store, an African video store, an African-run fast-food spot, a mosque, several African restaurants.

A Community Struggles The owner of Café de C.E.D.E.A.O., named for the coalition of West African nations, envisioned it as a community hub in the Bronx neighborhood of Claremont, where Americans would try his wife’s cassava soup and realize it’s not so foreign after all. But a year in, the owner, Mohammed M. Barrie, said he could count the number of American patrons on one hand.

Meanwhile, he and his customers have been taunted, he said, and his restaurant’s window urinated on. Someone tried to break into a diner’s car. Then there is the bullet hole in the front window, a mark from a gunshot through the window late one night last summer.

“<span style="font-weight: bold">Those people, they don’t respect African people,” </span>said Mr. Barrie, a Sierra Leone native who settled in the United States in 1998. “I pay my bills, I pay my taxes, they still ...” He trailed off.

Down the block, Muhammed Sillah sat in front of the tiny Al Tawba mosque, eyeing the jungle gym across the street and remembering when he used to let his children play outside.

“Spanish kids, American kids — but no African kids,” said Mr. Sillah, a Gambian mechanic raising five children in Claremont. “We’re scared.”

<span style="font-weight: bold">Their fear and frustration are shared by many local West African immigrants, whose fast-growing presence in the neighborhood — and in the city over all — has been accompanied by increasing tensions with the local black American residents.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">“They think they’re better than black people,” </span>James Carroll, a retired Army specialist standing in front of a busy convenience store, said of the West African immigrants. “We’re supposed to be one community — we’re supposed to be able to get along — but they don’t give it a chance.”

Some of the tension can be attributed to cultural differences that all immigrants face, though the West Africans in Claremont, as conservative Muslims, have the added challenge of adjusting to a post-9/11 New York. But resentment and mistrust has escalated to actual violence, and, they say, left them feeling under siege.

After reports of nearly two dozen attacks on West African immigrants in the last two years, community leaders reached out to the police, who interviewed 17 Africans in the neighborhood and filed 11 criminal complaints. Two of those were deemed hate crimes, including an attack in June that left a Gambian immigrant hospitalized for eight days. They have made no arrest in either bias case, but a police mobile truck with a video camera now stands outside the mosque.

Claremont straddles the 44th and 42nd Precincts, two of the city’s most dangerous neighborhoods. This year, there have been 319 robberies in the 44th Precinct and 237 assaults in the 42nd. At the Butler Houses, part of a complex of housing projects that loom over the neighborhood, police sirens provide a background soundtrack, and residents of all colors and nationalities caution against walking around at night.

But the West Africans say the attacks on them are calculated. “It’s prejudice,” said Dembo Fofana, who said a beating in June by 10 to 15 men left him with broken ribs and internal bleeding. “It’s because we’re African, and we’re Muslim.”

Mr. Fofana, who came to this country 21 years ago, has not returned to his job at a bakery since the assault. He stays home, recovering, receiving disability checks and caring for his five children.

“There’s a lot of tension,” he said. “Just yesterday, someone said, ‘<span style="font-weight: bold">What would you think if I came to Africa and tried to take your property?’ I told him, ‘Brother, I’m not taking anything from you. I’m just trying to live my life.’ ”</span>

The African population in the Bronx has grown considerably in recent years: the census reported 12,063 sub-Saharan Africans in 1990, while the most recent census estimate was 61,487.

**Suesumba** · 10-26-2009, 01:13 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

there was an article in the nytimes regarding africans in the bronx and how "african americans" treated them. </div></div>

the jealousy of the africans because they can succeed from hard work and inner pride. they know it's a place to climb the proverbial ladder, whereas american blacks stand around in front of stores crying caz di "massa done be doing did das dong me wrong". they can't even speak english in an english speaking nation. they're lazy ineffectual and childlike on a grand scale from the handouts. just throw them a pair of sneakers. ni gg ah please

**Gen** · 10-26-2009, 01:14 PM

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<span style="font-style: italic">cont.</span>

In the community district that includes Claremont, black Americans made up 44 percent of the population, according to 2000 census figures, with 52.9 percent of the area Hispanic. African immigrants were nearly 10 percent of the population, a number likely to be much higher in the 2010 census.

The Africans in Claremont hail mainly from poor, French-speaking countries: Guinea, Mali, Senegal. Like immigrants across New York, many are here illegally, working long hours for little pay. Many work as taxi drivers, convenience-store clerks, fast-food cashiers — jobs that keep them on the street late at night.

But some say the Muslims deliberately hold themselves apart. A 37-year-old American man who gave his name as Dre pointed to the pavement in front of the mosque where the African men, easily identifiable in their beards and skullcaps, gather each afternoon. “If you don’t give praise to Allah, don’t go there,” he said. “It’s just like Afghanistan.”

Kantara Baragi, the imam of the Al Tawba mosque, acknowledges that insularity is part of the problem. “We don’t hang around,” said Mr. Baragi, whose delicate frame nearly disappears inside his long, flowing robes. “We just go to work. We don’t have a relationship with people here. They don’t know us.”

So community leaders organized two meetings this summer with police officials, politicians, community board members and housing association leaders. The goal, Mr. Baragi said, was “to let them know us so they don’t look at us like strangers.”

Zain Abdullah, an assistant professor of religion, race and ethnicity at Temple University in Philadelphia, says it is common for African immigrants to suffer harassment when they settle in traditionally black neighborhoods in big cities, like Detroit, New York and Philadelphia.

<span style="font-weight: bold">“Many African-Americans feel that the influx of Africans coming in represents a kind of invasion,” he said. “Culturally, African-Americans have always imagined themselves as Africans, or at least of African descent, but they might have never encountered Africans from the continent. The actual encounter is shocking.”</span>

Mr. Baragi, the imam, says he tries to accommodate his neighbors. His mosque, which blends in with the other storefronts, does not sound the call to prayer through speakers because “we don’t need to force everyone to hear what we’re doing.”

Instead, five times a day, from the sidewalk or, when it is cold, from behind the front door, a man from Al Tawba sings the call in a voice drowned out by the rumbling traffic.

Down the block at Café de C.E.D.E.A.O., a young man walked in last week wearing a Yankees hat tilted askew, an oversize military-style jacket and baggy pants. He looked like any member of the crowd hanging out in front of the Butler Houses, but Fofana Alhusane’s outfit was calculated, a camouflage to hide his Gambian roots.

“African clothes are dangerous,” he said. “I used to wear them, but I saw a few people get beat up, so now I wear New York clothes.”

story here

**blugiant** · 10-26-2009, 01:14 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii dawtah mekk mii laff. shi luv fii gitt unda mii skinn bye seyinn dat since moas jamaicans cum fram afrikka ann jamaica iss part aff da america dat meen jamaicans ar african meerikkans.

realitee iss dat mii okay widd peeps seyinn jamaicans ar blakk butt mii ave issues widd cawlinn jamaicans afrikkan mericans

mii knoo itt willie lynch ting butt y doo manee jamaicans ave issues widd beeinn cansidar as afrikkan meerikkans </div></div>

'black' people or people of african descent who were born in america is what i usually consider as african-american;
'black' people or people of african descent from jamaica would be african-jamaicans if we use the same criteria </div></div>

mii dawta luv fii tell mii dat jamaica iss part aff north america

mii tink mii wood even ave issue widd afrikkan-jamaican. mii will defend blakk cah dat bout da unification aff awl peeps blakk undar wan umbrella butt dat african-ting iss bout separatin fii divide ann keep oyinbo rule

**jah_yout** · 10-26-2009, 01:17 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes many jamaicans have issues with being called african american </div></div>

... also because of the inherent self hatred jamaican blacks abhor anything african. altho that's changing with education. and we know that's the trooth. </div></div>

that's total bull;

many jamaicans have a sense of african pride;
my rastafarian people certainly do;
do you know how many jamaican sound systems and reggae riddims have the name 'african' in it?

**jah_yout** · 10-26-2009, 01:24 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii dawtah mekk mii laff. shi luv fii gitt unda mii skinn bye seyinn dat since moas jamaicans cum fram afrikka ann jamaica iss part aff da america dat meen jamaicans ar african meerikkans.

realitee iss dat mii okay widd peeps seyinn jamaicans ar blakk butt mii ave issues widd cawlinn jamaicans afrikkan mericans

mii knoo itt willie lynch ting butt y doo manee jamaicans ave issues widd beeinn cansidar as afrikkan meerikkans </div></div>

'black' people or people of african descent who were born in america is what i usually consider as african-american;
'black' people or people of african descent from jamaica would be african-jamaicans if we use the same criteria </div></div>

mii dawta luv fii tell mii dat jamaica iss part aff north america

mii tink mii wood even ave issue widd afrikkan-jamaican. mii will defend blakk cah dat bout da unification aff awl peeps blakk undar wan umbrella butt dat african-ting iss bout separatin fii divide ann keep oyinbo rule </div></div>

it's all tricknology in the never-ending divide & rule scheme;

i bet you call a person who looks chinese or korean an 'asian'...i'm sure you don't call them a 'yellow'; even though we choose to call ourselves a color (black)...

they usually lump all east asians regardless of country of origin as 'asian-american'...
so now they pretty much lump all people of apparently african descent into the category 'african-american'...
on censuses the only choice i have is 'african-american' since i'm not hispanic;
so in america i'm an african-american...but i'm just a jamaican-born person of african descent, or african-jamaican iving in america

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