..oil spill in pictures

[Wahalla]

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Valdez was 22 year ago and some of the lessons learnt are beign ignored... Or ather driven by the media image.

As poltically unsound as this is the image of the seabird in oil misses the point. Oil breaks down. nature is filled with bugs that eat oil. The use of dispersants ect is unnessary yet congress committee (democrats mainly) tried to find a smoking gun on the dispersants being used.. They are using approved dispersants, and these went trough the procurement process that is very onerous but restricts selection based on technical capability and price ...

I watched congress hearing from Wedneday last night and it struck me that the Democrats especially a blck congress woman from florida who was complaining about not getting all the money they demanded from BP as missing the greter issue ratehr than reduce what is happening to a porkbelly excerise...

One lady congress woman made an important point, one that I have pointed out very early on. The oil indusrty was prepared they had mitigations in place, they mobilised fast and efficent .. They have not scrimed and scrapped. BP has but the mitigations failed the BOP did not do what it was suppose to do. Transocean was professional as well they knew all their systems and they were pretty open. They lost people. Theeir was nothing more, nothing was it seems not done.



<span style="color: #FF0000">but the lady congress woman pointed out that none of the solutions had been tested in deep water. </span> The point I made early on is the if this was not acceptable then the MMS should have not granted the liecence. BP did every thing that was legal. they used the smae technology in the UK and in Norway..... Hanging them out to dry is neither morally right.

(Note BP had the clean upo in place in 8 hours, the rig sank in 36 hours the spill started when the rig sank. )Before that it was simply a fire fighitng excerise. The rescue boat was in place in under 30 mins, they picked up the jumpers with in 10 mins.

I also noted that Wendy mentioned modern project management..mitigation... Which included probality analysis. When Hayward mentioned that there was a 60-70% chance of it working what was the TV headline ???

<span style="color: #FF0000"> <span style="font-weight: bold">BP using flawed technology </span></span>

Mckay the BP head repeated at least 20 times that BP will pay all legitimate claims. A number of Democrat congress folk seemed to be questioning hte term &quot;legitimate&quot; claim.

The republicna from Alaska was very good. He knew his stuff. He went through the BOP. He walked through the technology 7 systems with multiple rdundancy all of which failed. The BOPs had been tested. He pointed out that BP has been paying out. He pointed out that EXxon never paid for 22 years and then only paid $5000 per fishermen. He then unlike the rest countered the point that BP made that they have employed all fisherment at higher rates than tehy could have their lively hood affectd for the next twenty years.

[ILP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Valdez was 22 year ago and some of the lessons learnt are beign ignored... Or ather driven by the media image. </span>

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You naw get no argument from mi wid dis one. ahn you not gwine get no argument bout the fail safes that have not worked on the part of BP. Mi nu know all bout the breakdown of oil ahn dem tings deh, but it cant be argued that the wildlife is being affected by the oil that is spewing from that well. I dont know if dem fi use disbursements or not, but that oil cant be left unabated and be allowed to come onto shore. Leaving it to go away naturally is the wrong thing to do. Period.

Also the feds leaving BP to still be calling the shots after all this time is asinine.

Dis ting gwine be the head window washer dung ah Penn. Ave.'s albatross. For this mi would argue im deserve it.

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Leaving it to go away naturally is the wrong thing to do. Period.
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this is untrue.. <span style="font-weight: bold">Leaving it alone is the best way.</span> This was one of the lessons learnt in Alaska... Use of dispersants and steam cleaning does more damange than good.. direct comparisions studies show that. Bentic life is quickly restored...But places cleaned life takes longer to return... Oil breaks down in air very quickly.. The spill off Galicia should be remebered at the Alaska spill but Yankis have a tendency to ignore the rest of the world..

One things I noted BP at tje ongress hearing was sniffed at because they got the world best expert in hydrate supression. why because he was Brazialian !


By isolating the water from fishing led to the recovery of fish species in alaska in spots to higher than pre Valdez levels.

Note there is evidence that the presence of oil in the water column leads to an increase in fish fertility based on the increase in gender switching.... As tragiclyt it seems that in alaska one specie was wiped out.. Compare this to the fact that over 100 species a year of incests are made extint.

If there is any organisation that can do a better job at this than BP would be interesting. The only organisation that has the capability asside from BP is are othr oil company. and they wopuld not be as motivated to close this as efficently as BP. The us goverment has no capability to do this. BP would love to hand this over and renegare on their responsbility. You messed up you fix philoshy hold true.. Till BP demonstrates in competency I will hold that opnion.. And they have not...

Who else could do this ? Three other orgainsation:

Halliburton is the best choice
Schlumberger (I doubt it)
Baker Hughes
Weatherford

Again they will back charge BP. Again the bigger the longer the operation, the bigger the cost. BP has moral responsibility here...

At the moment BP are drilling two releif wells... This startegy is sound. They are aiming to hit the well bore that is producing. What get Shell or Anadarko or Matsui who are parnters to take the operatorship. BP has the most experience at drilling in this location. so giving it to some one else loses expertise and local experience...

Note the standard procedure is to drill a single releif. The logic for two is operationally sound. Tghe first attempt will fail. Why theri will be interferenace from the casing on the Macando 1 well casing on the directional tools.. and it is likely to get the direction wrong... They can use the first attempto as a fixed point and hit it on the seacond attempt as they would side track the well... .. By having two wells they have multiple shots and a fixed point close to the target... Normally to do this releif well you dont need to hit just get close and fracture the formation and get communication.. It would taje some balls to do that... what if they fracture the formation and it comes it also fractures the formation around the well increasing he production in the Macanado well ???

Note ask Magic the pilot what hte pressure dieferntial between the top and bottom of a plane wing is ? I am now expert at aeronautics but the number I beleive is 1/2 a psi....

Atmosheric pressure is 14.5 psi.... The pressure of this well is 13000 psi.. To do the kill they have to pump 18 lbs per Gallon drilling fluid.. The density of water is 8.33 lbs per gallon..


Quick fluids perspective.
How I would do this is pump a train of pills.. Barite pill in formate brine. density 21 lbs per Gall to followed by a weighted bentonite junk pill weighted to kill weight contained haigh density of clay in oil by a water spacer ... then a high densisty cement. then chase the cement slurry with 18 ppg Oil mud ... Hold the back pressure till the cement hardengs.. .. Course we could have the night mare scanrio in that there is a Zone that is losing in the well and the one that is kicking and then these zones start communicating then the well starts to produce more....



this is dangerous enviromentally because Barium sulphate is inet in water is soluble in formates but formates are needed to inhibit hydrate the reason for the bentontite in oil is when it enounters water it gells up and seals.. reducing the stress on the cement giving it time to harden.. This is all dangerous because the cement could flash set in the conducting pipe...

But fuundamentally they need to get a flow path establisjed...

course simple bull head in 18 ppg mud chased by cement..

However this kind of density/ pressure could fracture the formation and god knows would happen... The problem is bull heading this down safely.. This kind of pressure is huge.. And all of these have to be inhibited against hydrates... Note BP has onesome of the best guys in the world on their team . And they gave a huge reserve of expertise all over the planet...


But I am not a yanki.. not even a Brazilian what the hell do I know ?

[Wendy]

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Thanks for the response ILP ..But let me ask one odda question to all. When unu sey di Govament naah act ..who excatly is the govament here in question - Does unu mean Obama or the EPA?

I only ask because I keep hearing this mild little conflicting statement here and there especially in the news media ...saying the EPA did this and said that but no action from the Govament Isn't the EPA a branch of goverment? Edumicate mi please.

[ILP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Leaving it to go away naturally is the wrong thing to do. Period.
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this is untrue.. <span style="font-weight: bold">Leaving it alone is the best way.</span> This was one of the lessons learnt in Alaska... Use of dispersants and steam cleaning does more damange than good.. direct comparisions studies show that. Bentic life is quickly restored...But places cleaned life takes longer to return... Oil breaks down in air very quickly.. The spill off Galicia should be remebered at the Alaska spill but Yankis have a tendency to ignore the rest of the world..

<span style="font-weight: bold">By isolating the water from fishing led to the recovery of fish species in alaska in spots to higher than pre Valdez levels</span>.</div></div>

how dem isolate dis water? dont they have to put down containment bouies (sp) and markers (when i've seen dem in then past they are white) to mek sure di oil stay within a certain parameters? if you ansa is yes, then that tells mi they are <span style="text-decoration: underline">doing</span> something. They aren't just leaving it alone. That is the only point mi trying to make. Now you seem to know more bout what the disbursments will do or wont do and again mi naw argue you that cah mi nuh know, but how can leaving the oil fi wash up on di beach and leaving the oil which is clearly killing off some species be a good thing

That's what mi cyan reconcile.

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILP_ULOOK_GR8</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Leaving it to go away naturally is the wrong thing to do. Period.
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this is untrue.. <span style="font-weight: bold">Leaving it alone is the best way.</span> This was one of the lessons learnt in Alaska... Use of dispersants and steam cleaning does more damange than good.. direct comparisions studies show that. Bentic life is quickly restored...But places cleaned life takes longer to return... Oil breaks down in air very quickly.. The spill off Galicia should be remebered at the Alaska spill but Yankis have a tendency to ignore the rest of the world..

<span style="font-weight: bold">By isolating the water from fishing led to the recovery of fish species in alaska in spots to higher than pre Valdez levels</span>.</div></div>



And the reason why is

how dem isolate dis water? dont they have to put down containment bouies (sp) and markers (when i've seen dem in then past they are white) to mek sure di oil stay within a certain parameters? if you ansa is yes, then that tells mi they are <span style="text-decoration: underline">doing</span> something. They aren't just leaving it alone. That is the only point mi trying to make. Now you seem to know more bout what the disbursments will do or wont do and again mi naw argue you that cah mi nuh know, but how can leaving the oil fi wash up on di beach and leaving the oil which is clearly killing off some species be a good thing

That's what mi cyan reconcile. </div></div>

removed as much oil from the sea as possible..lower the oil concentration... use centrifudges and hydrocyclones skimmmers ect. (use dances with wolves actor company) <span style="font-weight: bold">dont use dispersants in the sea... </span>If it hits the shore strategicly clean ports ect . let nature take care of the rest.

The GOM is warmer than Alaska yet they removed less than 1000 bbl from the shore.. There is now oil under the rocks in alaska but the surface is cleaned.. not by exxon but my oliohilic microbes in nature.

EPA approved the BP dispersants, either it was approved or it was not. Tif there was a better one then remove the guilty one from the approval list they did not. If it is on the list then BP should use it if it is not then they should not.... That is them flexing their muscle and distracted BP.

Why because of the image if BP did not do the dispersant then media would say they poluteed and did nothing.. But I have nothin

BP is not EXXON....of the Lee Raymond era

the primary goal is to cap and close the well...

Forgive the unclarity.. Dont fish where there is contamination...

[j-kid]

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Look yah noh man. Di government need fi jus start throwing BP officials inna jail, as well as, impose steep million dollars, daily fines, den si how fast dem wi find ah fix.

If mi for example, kill ah protected species, or ah an American Bald Eagle, dem noh hesitate fi arrest mi, soh whe dem ah wait fah wid di BP big shots?

Even if it means using explosives fi plug off di oil flow, den das whe dem need fi duh. But noooooo, dem greedy bastard, hungry fi oil, even if it mean di lives and career of thousands of people. By di way, who dem charge fi di murders of dem people whe died pan di oil platform?

According tuh one of di bosses, they were told about di bad valve and disregarded it. Also, increase di drilling speed even though dem was told not fi duh so.

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look yah noh man. Di government need fi jus start throwing BP officials inna jail, as well as, impose steep million dollars, daily fines, den si how fast dem wi find ah fix.

If mi for example, kill ah protected species, or ah an American Bald Eagle, dem noh hesitate fi arrest mi, soh whe dem ah wait fah wid di BP big shots?

Even if it means using explosives fi plug off di oil flow, den das whe dem need fi duh. But noooooo, dem greedy bastard, hungry fi oil, even if it mean di lives and career of thousands of people. By di way, who dem charge fi di murders of dem people whe died pan di oil platform?

According tuh one of di bosses, they were told about di bad valve and disregarded it. Also, increase di drilling speed even though dem was told not fi duh so.
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corperate man slaughter is the best that they can expect.. and it would not be BP. I assure that Transocena would have indemnified BP and BP indemified Transocean.

Why is it every person condemn the dealer.. Who consumes the oil ? As I type I weatr clothes with some artifical material 9(I am wearing my favorite worsted grey wool suit with purple viscose lining) on a key board made from plastic on a wooden desk cut with power tools.. in a rom light by power from a natural gas generated electricity. The floor is covered with a polyester industrial carpet I stare at the lap top made from a polymer.. I will call my contractor on a plastic phone.. while I steer at my children picture on photographic paper. I looked up the number on a list printed using an oil emulsion based list.. I check my appointment in a vinyl covered diary.. I will have a sanwich for lunch that is wrapped in plastic, I will take a bus to my home sitting on platic seats the buss is powered by a hybrid enginee thhat usedsnatural gas.. I will fly home this week end on an aluminium plane built in Brazil coated with a thermoplastic paint powered by engines made from carbon fiber coated with teflon type matereial..

Yep get rid of oil... Having grown up with oil lamps, wood stove and spending half my as a child time gettign high calorific value wood, carrying water on my head. Yep I look back with nostaligia to cooking authentic food in the original methods...

I think we should forget the hydrocarbon industry because the yankis have a cartel that discourages the development of cold fussin and technology that can break the 7% conversion of energy from the sun into electricity....

Once they throw BP into Jail then who fixes the problem? BP will be paying a premium for that rig.. I estimate the day rates for those rigs arte atleast a million a day each.. They will be drilling at the optimum rate because the quicker they close it down the quicker they stop heamorging money and the quicker their share price stabilises.. The more secure will be their leases cause right now each day they are trembling with fright that the MMS rescinds their leases with prejudice... They will have a clause in their that gives the MMS right to recind these leases based on effect...

[Suesumba]

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people a gwan like dem wah obama fi personally put on wet suit and scuba gear and goh dung deh goh plug di hole.

[Wahalla]

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problem is that we are all focused on services rather than engineering.. The problem is simple plug the hole.. engineering the solution is a complex... This is not a computer virus, a marketing strategy gone wrong, a broken engine.. This is more difficult than brain surgery or rocket science....

How are these popularist solutions ???? drop a nuclear bomb drop rockstone send fi yardi.. send down some divers....stop using oil.. Use alternatives energy sources.. a simple calorific calclculation of all the oil and gas used then compare it to the amount of energy that can be generated by all these favourite clean alternative energy

this is potentially on the scale of chernobyl..not on the scale of alaska. how did the soviets solve that ? simple they sent in some motivated guys who took heavy doses of radiation while concreteing it in a sarcophogus and solved the problem in exchange for their life.. That was a simple engineering solution.. there are guys out there who are that motivated. But motivation is not an engineering solution...

Normal pressure at surface ...here the problen is highly pressured source 1200 m under water.. to illustrate One of the old favorite tricks is to attach take those 10 Cm high polystytren cups. write your name on it and a message . attach it to an ROV jump it to 200 m.. it reduces the size of the cup to 2 cm... We are talking six times the depth. Divers cant operate at these depths...

again the question is is the systems in place to mitigate this disaster sufficent... if not then we should not be douing this any where on the planet not just to the US.

interestingly there is an aporifal rounour that 10% of all the oil piped in russia leaks.. does any one care ?

[Wahalla]

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This is from iii.co.uk website...
This well is in 1600 m of water.... Only reason I dont own this share is India oil leaves alot to be desired..... But given that it fell 11 % today ti may be a buying opertunity....


<span style="color: #CC0000">British oil exploration company Hardy Oil &amp; Gas (HDY) has suspended drilling at its KGV-D3-W1 exploration well at offshore India after encountering troubles with its rig.



The group said &quot;unresolved mechanical issues&quot; associated with the blow-out preventer of the Transocean Deepwater Expedition drilling rig had forced it to temporarily halt activities.



Shares in the group sank as much as 11% as it failed to offer investors a firm idea of when drilling activities would recommence, despite stating that it was on the look-out for an alternative rig.



Chief executive Yogeshwar Sharma commented: &quot;In the interest of safety, the D3 joint venture has taken the considered decision to suspend the W1 well. The operator is working towards mobilising an alternative rig at the earliest opportunity.&quot;



The well, located in the Krishna Godavari Basin on the East coast of India, commenced drilling at the start of April and reached depths of 2,608 metres before operator Reliance Industries encountered problems with the control system of the blow-out preventer.



Despite spending a considerable amount of time tackling the issue, it was unable to resolve the issue to its satisfaction, it added.



KGV-D3-W1, the fifth exploration well on the block, was targeting depths of 3,514 metres in a bid to explore the hydrocarbon potential of the Plio-Miocene sands.



Fox Davies Capital commented: &quot;An unwelcome delay but surely a necessary decision in itself as well as in the light of recent events unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. Rating and price target unchanged.&quot;



The future of deepwater drilling has come under intense scrutiny following BP's disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. It was another of Transocean's rigs, Deepwater Horizon,suffered an explosion over a month ago, leading to oil gushing at a rate of 5,000 barrels a day into the ocean.



BP, which has so far racked up costs of $760 million in clean up costs, said it was continuing to investigate the failures associated with its own blow out preventer.



Investors discussing Hardy's news on the firm's Interactive Investor discussion board were negative on where next for the well.



Shotry commented: &quot;Might be a lengthy delay as they'll have to get another rig to re-enter.&quot;



However, mr Rowie said: &quot;This looks rather ominous for Transocean's deepwater fleet. I imagine the well could be suspended for some time if we are waiting on an alternative rig.&quot;



Hardy Oil &amp; Gas' share price had recovered slightly and was trading at 152.50p.</span>

[Tulip]

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Here is a video of the leak possibly from this morning. It looks like a a pressure cooker that you tried to open before you released the valve.

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[j-kid]

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Mi neva sey get rid ah oil. Mi sey fi throw dem baxside inna jail fi recklessness, an greed. Throw dem inna jail fi total disregard fi life an willful destruction of di environment. Screw di double standard, dat is generally allotted to dem so-called big-shots.

Di far reaching effect will bi felt fi decades tuh com.

Obama got him han full, dere is more dan enough people wid di power, sitting pan dem @$$ in Govmt nat doing nutten.

[j-kid]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fox Davies Capital commented: &quot;An unwelcome delay but surely a necessary decision ...........
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Wish BP had listened wen dem was advised fi duh di same.

[X]

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