..oil spill in pictures

[Wendy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">people a gwan like dem wah obama fi personally put on wet suit and scuba gear and goh dung deh goh plug di hole. </div></div>

BOADWL: dwl: Sue mi wan barra dah line yah fi use pan smaddy pan my ends wey a rail up im mout pan Obama. Mi can barraw it? It sweet mi soh til

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almost EVERYONE involved has been negligent.. and still is..

sentiments will change when the social, ecological and especially when the economic fallout hits..

the unfolding events over the next few days, months, years will speak for themselves...

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bleXXed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">almost EVERYONE involved has been negligent.. and still is..

sentiments will change when the social, ecological and especially when the economic fallout hits..

the unfolding events over the next few days, months, years will speak for themselves...





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They followed the rules.. They broke no laws.. No more than any one who drives... I suspect that they operate at non optimum manner. There were excessive remidiatory systems in place If we expect optimum condtions for all industrial operations then nothing would get done. But negligent ???? No....Thgere is nothing in the public domain that even indicated negligence..or that is constantly implied deliberate malfisance..


Old Barry has addressed the issue that I kept pointing out he has suspended 33 wells... Now this means they suspect the rules by the MMS are not satisfactory..

In a week there will be an exodus of deep water rigs to Brazil where they are planning to build 29 rigs of the Transocean Horizon capability.. out of sight out of mind.. And in six month time when they change the rules there will be few rigs to drill in the GOM. Every one is happy...

[halfwaytree]

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So I hear they are moving onto plan <span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;G&quot;</span> now.

In other words, they have given up but they have to look as though they are still trying.

[queenb]

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As usual, Wahalla, you have hit the nail on the head: <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="font-weight: bold"> One lady congress woman made an important point, one that I have pointed out very early on. The oil indusrty was prepared they had mitigations in place, they mobilised fast and efficent .. They have not scrimed and scrapped. BP has but the mitigations failed the BOP did not do what it was suppose to do. Transocean was professional as well they knew all their systems and they were pretty open. They lost people. Theeir was nothing more, nothing was it seems not done.

but the lady congress woman pointed out that none of the solutions had been tested in deep water. The point I made early on is the if this was not acceptable then the MMS should have not granted the liecence. BP did every thing that was legal. they used the smae technology in the UK and in Norway..... Hanging them out to dry is neither morally right.
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The upsetting thing is, this very same situation happened on June 3,<span style="font-weight: bold"> 1979</span>!!! Thirty one years ago, a similar accident happened in the Gulf of Mexico, and it took 9 months to stop the oil flow--in only 200 feet of water. The question is, if thy could not control oil spill in only 200 feet why was drilling allowed in deep-water without the proper safe-guards put in place?

[ILP]

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Mi go from shock, to outrage, to sadness, to now mi juss numb.
Mi nu know nutten bout engineering ahn dem tings deh.
All mi know is that 40 someting days worth ah oil is heading to di shores.
Mi know already that BP will neva pay back wah dem do to the environment ahn to people livelihood, no matter wah di FEDS seh. Dem will never pay it back.

Mi cyan help but watch di coverage. Yes, it is like watching train wreck, but mi cyan help it. Do i blieve British Pollution is doing everything to plug di hole...yes. Dem Exec say dem have to cah dem nu like being in di spotlight. Was dem prepared...hell no. Daht obvious. Mi nu know if what dem do or did not do is legal or not as far as the accident and being prepared with contingencies...

But to see the damage that dis oil has done (the oil that has and has yet to come) to the shore is plain and simple indefensible. Period. BOTH BP and di FEDS should shame for the clean up aspect of this disaster.

Mi see plenty photo opts wid Obama on di beach. The day he came BP had nuff people on di stretch of beach weh Obama was seh dem a clean up. Is juss a shame that the day im came is the first many of the people weh live there ever saw cleanup people ahn since im leff no one has seen cleanup crews again. Oh ahn guess weh di &quot;clean up crew&quot; tek off dem hazmat clothes and dump dem...

In dumpster behind di restaurant weh dem got free lunch paid for by BP.

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this event is pretty revealing

have a question for the knowledgeable.. does oil have a purpose in the earth?
one strain of though is that its formed from years of decay.. therefore no purpose
the other is that is serves as a lubricant and insulator without its insulating, there would be abnormal heating of the earths's crust and outer reigion as heat is transfered from the core and without its lubricating (and I'd add paddind) we would have much more violent earth quakes.

That aside, how impossible would it be to get a millitary submarine down there to either carry out &quot;plan&quot;.. a mean REACTION G or just blow this well to atlantis?

[Wahalla]

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Hydrocarbons have the extremely energy density and they still despite all the stories of consiparcy of evil oil gaints the most cost effective cleanest most enviromentally friendly energy source..

One story I heard a life time ago was the Tsar in Russia at the end of the 19th centurary asked the premier sciientist (either one of the two russian greats Mendelev or Pavlov my memory is old) in Russia to anayse the uses of Nafta (crude) .. This was after teh Nobels made their fortune by idnetifying crude in what is now Azerbijan thus challennging Shell and Rockefeller dominances. The conclusion of the report was that Nafta had too many uses to be burnt...

The normal operating depth for nuclear attack submarine is 490 m.. Test depth is 750 m.. I can be corrected on this.. The depth that this well head is 1200 m... There are bathysubs that can get down there then what ????

Tjeu have rOVs that are down there doing all kind of things.

I thought the top kill was not likely to work but the most likely flow path is always the easiest and in this case would be upward not downward . Tilson the head of Exxon stated that this was te best way foward..

But it was worth a shot... I still think the first concept was the best.....ie conduct the oil to the surface. via a catchment top hat... However this wont be perfect.. Making concrete casement with circulating systems in it that surroring the well head up to the surface. say 20m diameter casement made and placed in section.. This would prevent any more interventions at seabed. however it wont be perfect oil will lleak...

why ???we will be hurricane season before the releif well will first intercept the well bore.. That is ultimate solution...
When the hurricanes do come the twenty or so vessels will have to go to port...

[j-kid]

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Das whe wi said earlier X. Dem fi stop trying fi save di well head, an jus blow di hell out ah it an mek it self-plug. Why dem keep trying fi siphon off oil an continue tuh pollute is beyond mi?

Wi use explosives fi stop air leaks, oxygen leaks, water leaks, oil leaks wild fire, redirect floods, ...etc. Yuh get di point.

Dis delay while dem try get more oil, an try fi drill ah new well by August, an trying all dem band-aid fixes, is nutten but pure greed.

[H_O]

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i am by no means a religious believer---but doesnt Revelations say

&quot;the seven plaques&quot; the sea turned into blood like that of a dead man and everything in the sea died&quot;

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Das whe wi said earlier X. Dem fi stop trying fi save di well head, an jus blow di hell out ah it an mek it self-plug. Why dem keep trying fi siphon off oil an continue tuh pollute is beyond mi?

<span style="color: #FF6600">Because they cant plug teh leak. If they could they would. Each bbl of oil that went into the water column BP will be charged 700 - 2000 dollars once this is over . Look a deepwater well head gooes at 2 million dollars.. Each of the two rigs they have there goes at 400-500 k per day plus double that for seriveices on the rig so 2 million to run both rig.. They pumped 50,000 bbl of mud at 500 dollars plus a pop taking in the mixing charge mobilisation and the barge/ boats to ship iot to the rig .. There are 10 ROVs going at at least 100 k a day. There are ROV support vessels another million a day? It make no economic sense to leave this open </span>

Wi use explosives fi stop air leaks, oxygen leaks, water leaks, oil leaks wild fire, redirect floods, ...etc. Yuh get di point.

<span style="color: #FF6600"> There is no fire if they blow up the well head there is no way back.. There is no oxygen to get out. I suspect that thee leak is not coming up the main well bore but up the annular space between the different casing sttring ansd commming up the well bore.. This thing is shooting up at high pressure.. The</span>

Dis delay while dem try get more oil, an try fi drill ah new well by August, an trying all dem band-aid fixes, is nutten but pure greed. </div></div>

The releief wells wll be drilled as close to the leaking wellwill be fracked the well then used to piumped down cement..it

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Wahalla, thanks for your response. Thats very insightfull and knowlegable.

As its obvious they dont have a fix for the issue, and as far as we know the new top hat may not work either.
Trying to plug it with a Top Cat or Top Dog sure to fail, its too deep for Top Gun, we can barely make the Top 40 so the Top 10 is a defiante nono, so despite the products from all of Amreica's Top Notch educational institutes, we just have to sit by and watch the what could possibly be the worst criminal disaster unfold.

One thing for sure al queda must be having a brain storm of ideas now that the &quot;Giant's&quot; weak spot is pretty obvious..

[Wahalla]

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This is a tragedy.. In the order fo chernobyl.... But unlike chernobyl the coast will recover in twenty years .. oil breaks down. The complexity of the enviroment takes care of it self... This is a scientific principle called the Le Chatclair.. one of the concepts I find fascinating

conspirasy theories dont stand up to scrutiny...BP did not do it on purpose.. and they were aware of the consequence much more than the layman

There were multiple failures that led to this. None singularly catostrophic.. Think of them as broken indicator lights on a car.. little things.. But what will come out is some one will be demonised.

Part of the frustration is the fact that most people in the west seem to work in roles that have instantaneous results... ie they punch a botton om a computer and their role is done.. Here it is not... There are preparation and procedures that are designed to slow the job down...Speed kills...They

here the time frame is that of a farmer.. they plant the corn and reap it in three months

. But was this good enough ????? If ti was not then they should cut all exploration and development in this water depth . If this is not then there are massive questions that do not relate to the US. Brazil has the demand for 20 rigs of the Transocean Horizon to drill in water depth similar to this..

Cuba is going to drill in the eastern gulf.. And while there are tose who triuph the drilling as a blessing to raise the cuban economy none raised the risks as an issue. If the Cubans had had this tragedy they would have blamed the yankees...

Look 2007 there was a tragedy on Montara project between Indonesia and Australia.. It did not make the head lines in the states.. It was sorted..

The solutions are simple but the engineering are complex..

Here is an interesting asside.. the way I prognose is to remove as much oil from the water colunm.. when they remove the oil thhey will have to discharge the water back into the sea.. However the water will contain some oil.It is illegal to discharge oil contaminated water into the sea!

interestingly Kevin Costner has a company that uses Hydro ccylones to remove oil from water and some of his equipment should be deployed.


The people in BP drilling department be they geologists, engineers, logistics all would have at some pointed been on drilling rigs, they know the dangers...They know how one broken lifting strap, one test that failed could impact. given tjat when ever there is a plane that goes down there is pilot error... Here Engineering Error ?????


one thing that many people dont get there were 11 guys died....does any one think that BP engineers deliberately did not do their jobs ? R the engineers any different from you ? do you do your jobs in a delibnerately dangerour manner ?

As a long term consequence many people will see the energy industry as evil.. Many engieers will not be availabel in the west.. This will cause students not to ssee working for an oil company as the thing to do.. At the moment there is a serious shortage of experienced personnell in the oil industry in twenty years when the new intake will be in the senior postion there will be less yanki or westerns.. This means that the BP's Exxon et al will go recruit from the third world..

Tell your children to become petroleum engineers.. they will be well paid in twenty years time....or stop using oil related products..

still I am off to do a course on Spill Response in the morning...May go get a job in the US the next day!

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di saw stuck

aie sah

http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/10770971.html

<span style="font-size: 14pt">BP Oil Spill Update: The Saw Gets Stuck</span>

Eric Rosenbaum
06/02/10 - 11:51 AM EDT
The following is a roundup of recent events related to the BP oil spill
BP's Latest Effort:

GULF COAST, U.S. (TheStreet) -- BP(BP) conceded over the Memorial Day weekend that its latest effort to stop the Gulf of Mexico oil spill had failed, and the oil giant was moving on to its next high-risk oil spill containment technique, known as the lower marine riser pipe (LMRP) containment approach. BP began the sawing operation involved in what is known as the LMRP containment effort ready on Tuesday.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Bottom line: there is now no chance that BP will stop the oil spill before relief wells are finished being drilled in August. BP can only hope to contain the amount of oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico. </span>
The undersea saw that has been at work on cutting the riser pipe of the leaking BP well had its first success on Tuesday night, when it completed one cut. However, the U.S. Coast Guard said the saw had its first setback on Wednesday morning, when it got stock in the riser pipe and work had to be suspended. That's nothing new for BP.

BP CEO Tony Hayward had said throughout the previous week that the top kill had a 60% to 70% chance of success, and as late as Friday said the top kill was &quot;proceeding according to plan.&quot;

U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral Thad Allen -- President Obama's point man in the Gulf on the BP oil spill -- had also stoked optimism last week the day after the top kill was deployed, when he said that the top kill seemed to be working.

In the end, the heavy drilling mud and scrap materials -- known as the junk shot -- that BP was pumping into the leaking well, were no match for the pressure of oil and gas gushing out of the compromised underwater well, located 5,000 feet beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.

The LMRP containment effort is similar to the containment done -- a massive, 100-ton steel contraption that was BP's first failed technique to stop the oil spill. The LMRP has a high risk profile, as the technique requires sawing off the top of the riser pipe from which oil is gushing, and placing a dome on top of the failed blowout preventer to siphon off the oil to the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.

Cutting off the top of the riser pipe will release an increased flow of oil from the leaking BP well. Additionally, BP's original dome failed when ice crystals formed within it and blocked the some from collecting any oil. BP says it had improved the technique to mitigate the risk of ice crystals again forming. However, if the dome does not function properly once the riser pipe is cut, more oil will leak into the Gulf unimpeded.

Even if the LMRP containment effort is successful at its initiation, hurricane season begins in the Gulf of Mexico this month, and the current incarnation of the dome will have to be modified to withstand storms.

BP officials expressed the usual optimism on national TV on Tuesday after the top kill failed and the oil giant started up a more high-risk, lower reward effort. Doug Suttles, BP chief operating officer said he was &quot;very hopeful.&quot; Bob Dudley, BP managing director, told the U.S. viewing audience that he thinks the containment domes will work.

Of course, it is apparent that this containment dome and sawing off the riser pipe was not the No. 1 option in the BP oil spill containment effort, and is more like a final resort to buy time while the relief wells are drilled.



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Politics

The Justice Department locked horns with oil rig operator Transocean in court on Tuesday, over the petition made by Transocean last week in a U.S. federal court seeking to limit the drilling company's liability to just under $27 million, and based on a a 159-year-old law. The Justice Department told the court on Tuesday that such limits should not apply to the federal government or the states affected by the sinking of the oil rig and the spill.

After the BP top kill failed -- and after two speeches last Thursday and Friday from the White House and from a Louisiana beach -- President Obama dispatched Attorney General Eric Holder to the Gulf region on Tuesday to meet with Gulf-state attorney generals and federal prosecutors. On Tuesday afternoon, Holder announced that a criminal probe had been launched into the BP oil spill.

The criminal investigation will look for violations under existing environmental laws, as well as more criminal Justice Department charges for false statements and obstruction of justice by oil company executives.

&gt;&gt;Oil Spill in Pictures

President Obama spoke again about the oil spill from the White House Rose Garden on Tuesday, following speeches that the President had made on Thursday and Friday of last week when the top kill still seemed to be a hope for stopping the oil spill. Over the Memorial Day weekend, Obama ordered a tripling of resources to the Gulf of Mexico region.

Democratic congressman Ed Markey stepped up his constant attacks on BP, calling the oil giant to task for denying independent scientific reports that huge underwater plumes of oil are devastating Gulf life beneath the ocean's surface and referring to the oil spill as an &quot;environment crime.&quot;

Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu ordered BP to invest $1 billion in wetlands protection.

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