RIP Hon Dudley Thompson

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This article doesn't disprove CIA destabilization efforts in Jamaica</div></div>

....and I have never seen not one or any article that proved CIA involvement in Jamaica.
Not in Green Bay
Not in Orange Lane Fire
Not in Eventide Fire
Not in Rema Massacre
Not in Gold Street Massacre
Not in State of Emergency 76

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only person calling him saint Micheal Manley here is you, but Manley's actions described above by his political opponent Pearnel Charles, does leads one to see why you may think he is. </div></div>

You mean he is a Saint for leading men with guns to try to kill Pearnel, then then skillfully stepping aside avoiding the stain of the his actions?

Read:
Green Bay using the MIU and Dudley Thompson
Giving a 15 times convict (Spy Robinson),a gun while he went to the bathroom
Using Tony Spaulding to carry out the Rema and Eventide Massacre.
The two girls that were killed at Top Hill
Blaming SOE76 on Crime
Blaming the IMF when he cause the meltdown and went to IMF behind the back of the so-called progressives in PNP.

My friend there many actions that Saint Michael Manley organized that ended up in bloody confusion while he artfully dodge his way out. There is a clear pattern not just from the Pearnel incident but taking whole into consideration.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What are you saying!! because serious political rivalries are sometimes express violently.....THE CIA MUST BE INVOLVED????? CIA has no exclusivity on violence nor are they the creators of all violence </div></div>

Same question to you, only you must prove that the CIA was involved in the <span style="font-weight: bold">Green Bay Massacre</span>!

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This article doesn't disprove CIA destabilization efforts in Jamaica</div></div>

....and I have never seen not one or any article that proved CIA involvement in Jamaica.
Not in Green Bay
Not in Orange Lane Fire
Not in Eventide Fire
Not in Rema Massacre
Not in Gold Street Massacre
Not in State of Emergency 76 </div></div>

Thats true only if you have been reading my response with your eyes close, I have posted links and especially youtube that corroborates and substantiate CIA involvement in Jamaica during the Manley yrs.

The only person calling him saint Micheal Manley here is you, but Manley's actions described above by his political opponent Pearnel Charles, does leads one to see why you may think he is.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You mean he is a Saint for leading men with guns to try to kill Pearnel, then then skillfully stepping aside avoiding the stain of the his actions?</div></div>

I never said comrade Manley was a saint, that is on you.
I have yet to see where Manley was a threat to or threatening brother Charles, what I see is over zealous political aparatchiks acting out and up, with Manley trying to protect an endanger Charles. It reminds me of a similiar situation yrs before wherein a peaceloving man (so they say) and his band of followers were pounced upon by the authorities, when one of his followers in response chop off the ear of one of those representing the authorities. The peaceful man could do nothing but dress the wound of the victim and reprimand his follower. Manley stood his ground and in so doing protect bro Charles from further attack.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Green Bay using the MIU and Dudley Thompson
Giving a 15 times convict (Spy Robinson),a gun while he went to the bathroom
Using Tony Spaulding to carry out the Rema and Eventide Massacre.
The two girls that were killed at Top Hill
Blaming SOE76 on Crime
Blaming the IMF when he cause the meltdown and went to IMF behind the back of the so-called progressives in PNP.</div></div>

You obviously do not understand how the CIA works and the Tactics it uses

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My friend there many actions that Saint Michael Manley organized that ended up in bloody confusion while he artfully dodge his way out. There is a clear pattern not just from the Pearnel incident but taking whole into consideration.</div></div>

The Current example is a poor one if that is what you intended to substantiated....bring another more exacting one??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same question to you, only you must prove that the CIA was involved in the Green Bay Massacre! </div></div>

To prove it to you is a tall order, as far as I see it you have swallowed the CIA propaganda hook line and sinker. All I can do is provide you with the corroborating articles and info
http://books.google.com/books?id=-IbQvd1...ica&amp;f=false

http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/CIA_Media_Operations_in_Chile,_Jamaica,_and_Nicaragua

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats true only if you have been reading my response with your eyes close, </div></div>

Can you please post/re-post the ones referring to Green Bay?

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats true only if you have been reading my response with your eyes close, </div></div>

Can you please post/re-post the ones referring to Green Bay? </div></div>

I can only provide info about CIA direct involvement in the Eventide fire, and also their attempts to destabilize the country generally of which it is very likely the greenbay killing was such an operation.
As to the greenbay killing you have to show how you implicate Dudley Thompson.
here is my earlier post in response to your question regarding the eventide fire


Here is a re-post of my earlier response......you in some deep denial.
[quote]These ar all trade mark CIA operations, here is how they usually accomplish this.....they find poor ( semi-illiterate) youths and promise them money or even give huge sums of money, then they find greedy members of the security establishment. Who they also give money, set up a incident and then blame it on the government.
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Go to 4:26 - 5:29 minutes if you in a rush.

So it is time you realize that Jamaicans are involve in these crimes as victims twice, as the willing patsy (prepetrator) and the victims. It is the Responsibility of the then Government to take responsibility by re-acting and being proactive.......but in no way are they the cause or to carry or hold blame.



<span style="font-weight: bold">What is without question is that the men from Southside were transported to Green Bay in two Red Cross ambulances. At the Coroner's Inquest, the JDF soldiers who testified said <span style="text-decoration: underline">that the men went to the range to collect guns smuggled into the country and were surprised by a &quot;Special Strike Force</span>&quot;. The men opened fire on the army patrol which retaliated, killing five of them.
</span>http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...ews/news5.html

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> it is very likely the greenbay killing was such an operation</div></div>

No......again please post the articles/videos showing CIA operation/s that is directly responsible in the planning and execution of Green Bay.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to the greenbay killing you have to show how you implicate Dudley Thompson.</div></div> I don't have to show but I have shown.
there were news reports that were contemporaneous. They was a Commission Of Enquiry.
Then there was the report by Motty Perkins and David Dacosta that overheard Dudley Thompson at the ceremony to congratulate the perpetrators of the Green Bay Massacre.
There is also at least half a dozen songs related to the Green Bay Massacre that were done by Artistes who knew the men ......Not one mention the CIA

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Here is David Dacosta on Green Bay:</span>

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[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can only provide info about CIA direct involvement in the Eventide fire</div></div>

The CIA set the Eventide Fire?
This news to I.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> it is very likely the greenbay killing was such an operation</div></div>

No......again please post the articles/videos showing CIA operation/s that is directly responsible in the planning and execution of Green Bay.</div></div>

No..... My point is that the CIA were running covert operations in Jamaica and the truth to these are just now being made public knowledge. Starting with the Evenintide fire and the poisoning of fluor.

If I could, then the CIA which operates under conditions of secrecy and plausible deniability would be wasting their billions. But people do change and as time goes on who knows ? FOI.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As to the greenbay killing you have to show how you implicate Dudley Thompson.
I don't have to show but I have shown.
there were news reports that were contemporaneous. They was a Commission Of Enquiry.
Then there was the report by Motty Perkins and David Dacosta that overheard Dudley Thompson at the ceremony to congratulate the perpetrators of the Green Bay Massacre. </div></div>

TRUE....
How you going to &quot;overhear&quot; something given in a address at a formal meeting? but thats besides the point.
He is the Minister talking to his troops in a time of great insecurity and social unrest, facing unprecedent levels of violence - Martial law was in effect.
Do not get me wrong the killing of these young men were and is wrong, given the situation and the times the question is was it Justified? and the courts at the time ruled it so


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is also at least half a dozen songs related to the Green Bay Massacre that were done by Artistes who knew the men ......Not one mention the CIA</div></div>
Yes and I loved most of them
Yes.... no mention of CIA but the atmosphere was suffused with CIA activity happening allround the Island.

Here is the words of some one who claimed to be there, at the time....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Speaking with The Sunday Gleaner, S Man (not his real name), who was one of several persons who chose not to make the trip, explained that the deal about the promised work was initiated by a man named Junior Star, and Saddle Head. He said prior to the Green Bay incident, some of the deceased and survivors had gone to the Forum Hotel in St. Catherine where they <span style="font-weight: bold">met men claiming to be senior military officers.</span>
'I became suspicious when <span style="font-weight: bold">they said that we would transporting some guns and will be escorted by soldiers in front and from behind</span>. I raised the question that if soldiers will be escorting us, then the boss don't need us. He could just use the soldiers to transport the illegal guns where he wants them to go,&quot; said S Man.
The concern was raised the night before the incident in a yard on Ladd Lane in Southside. At this stage, the men became disinterested and declined to go on the mission.</div></div>

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080106/lead/lead7.html

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Here is David Dacosta on Green Bay:</span>

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POWERFUL and good work strong argument...luv

I do agree with most of what he said, especiall when he spoke of the powers of the state being corrupted(00.14-18)
My question is corrupted by whom or what?

One needed only to look around our hemisphere to find frightening examples(00.42-55)
My question who are the authors of these examples?

He never told us where those indisbutable and damning truths were pointing?(1-10-27)

What does he mean there would be no prosecution??(1.48-51), They were found not guilty - or more appropriate.....Justified.

Drumroll, the smoking gun.....
High public official deeply link to the security forces - Dudley Thompson no doubt say &quot;No Angels died at Greenbay&quot;(2.18-48).
Does that in your mind implicate &quot;Dudley&quot; as being involve in murder??

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can only provide info about CIA direct involvement in the Eventide fire</div></div>

The CIA set the Eventide Fire?
This news to I. </div></div>

Yes set it up....Instigate plan and supplied funds and material

The below is to demonstrate whats been going on in the hemisphere and who or what has been corrupting security forces

Here we have a recent CIA operation gone bad, so we now know about it, please note the anti-goverment supporters were being killed by anti-government gunmen so as to blame it in governement supporters.....thereby laying responsibility on the Government for actions allegedly done by government supports.
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[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can only provide info about CIA direct involvement in the Eventide fire</div></div>

The CIA set the Eventide Fire?
This news to I. </div></div>

Yes set it up....Instigate plan and supplied funds and material] </div></div>

My friend the CIA had nothing to do with the Eventide Fire, similarly the Orange lane fire, the Gold Street Massacre or Green Bay.
As I have said all these matter were widely reported when it happened. All these matters formed the basis of songs by well known Jamaican Artiste from the streets who had friends and relatives that perished in these ordeals not one time was the CIA mentioned.

You have not shown one bit of evidence to suggest otherwise........not one shred.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No..... My point is that the CIA were running covert operations in Jamaica and the truth to these are just now being made public knowledge. Starting with the Evenintide fire and the poisoning of fluor.</div></div>

The CIA might have poisoned some <span style="font-size: 14pt">fluor</span> but not the Lion Head Flour.
The PNP bungled the shipment of flour and caused it own supporters to die from the poisoning. It was contamination and not an act of sabotaged that caused the poisoning of the flour.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Current example is a poor one if that is what you intended to substantiated....bring another more exacting one?? </div></div>

I would say all your examples are poor and way off base.
But since you insist here a small example as told by a supporter of the Party.
These all involved folks like I who are supporters of the PNP. This is how Saint Michael and his gang treated folks who criticised their bloody actions.

<span style="font-size: 14pt">The Orange Lane Fire Enquiry </span>
<span style="font-style: italic">Laura Tanna </span>

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">The story of Justice Ronald Hugh Small </span>

IN PREPARING this series of articles on the human side of Hon. Mr Justice Ronald Hugh Small, one of the first black Supreme Court Judges in Jamaica, appointed in 1956, I interviewed not only him, but also two of his sons. On June 2, 1999 his eldest son and partial namesake, Hon. Ronald Hugh Packer Small Q.C., spoke about two of the most powerful political figures in the turbulent 1970s: <span style="font-size: 17pt">Michael Manley</span> and Tony Spaulding.

&quot;After he retired from the Bench,&quot; Hugh Small says of his father, &quot;he did a number of public enquiries. Let me tell you something about the interface between my father's role as an enquirer, my own position in the Cabinet (Minister of Youth, Sports and Community Development 1977-79) and the pain and difficulties it caused both of us.

He did a general enquiry into the violence that was taking place in the Corporate Area and then the <span style="font-size: 14pt">Orange Lane thing happened (On May 19,1976 ten people died in a fire set by gunmen at a tenement building on Orange Lane, Kingston)</span> and the Governor-General asked him to extend it, to deal with the Orange Lane fire.

&quot;What I'm about to say now, I've said to some people before. I think somebody needs to do some research into it, because it is an indictment of Michael Manley and an indictment of the PNP Administration.

&quot;A number of people went to <span style="font-size: 14pt">Ronnie Thwaites</span> and told him that they had evidence as to who was responsible for the Orange Lane fire. And they were afraid for their lives. Ronnie Thwaites, who had a fairly close relationship with my father, contacted him and he agreed that he would hear this evidence in camera. Tony Spaulding gave evidence (amongst others) and he was represented by a lawyer.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">In camera </span>

&quot;After the 1976 election, which was held on the 15th of December 1976, before Michael Manley did his Cabinet, one day I was at Michael Manley's home and I was told that daddy had sent him a preliminary report on the Orange Lane Fire which he wanted Michael to have before he appointed the Cabinet. <span style="font-size: 14pt">In it, he had made findings about Tony Spaulding's involvement in the Orange Lane fire.</span> He had called the then Attorney-General, Carl Rattray, and asked him to deliver the report to the Prime Minister, that the Prime Minister should know about it before he made any appointments.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">&quot;A couple of months later, the full report of the Commission of Enquiry came out. It did not include the secret report that had been sent to the Governor-General. In the course of the report, he made a reference to Tony Spaulding as having: 'More than a blushing acquaintance with gunmen'. </span>

I sat through the Cabinet meeting in which I heard most of the members of Cabinet, but mostly lawyers, savaging my father: 'There was no evidence in the enquiry for this. How can this be done?' Michael Manley kept quiet.

&quot;The truth is, I used to run with Michael in the mornings. I spoke to him. The matter was put off to the following week's Cabinet meeting. I<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"> said to him: &quot;Michael, I had to sit down and listen to you people say some very unkind things about my father, which I know are not true.</span> I think that there is evidence for what he said, in his findings, and I wish to be excused from the Cabinet meeting while you deliberate.&quot; He said he would think about it and he would let me know.

&quot;The next Cabinet meeting, he said: &quot;Well, we've discussed the matter and the Cabinet feels you can't be exempted. You have to stay.&quot; I remember it very clearly because Winston Jones, I had a lot of respect for, was the person who he got to articulate the position. They came up with a statement blasting my father, criticising him for this finding. He was very hurt and upset about it.

&quot;<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">After the 1980 defeat, Michael Manley's action against The Gleaner Company and John Hearne, for libel</span>, was being heard. I was brought into the case late. P.J. (Patterson) was junior to me at the Bar but he insisted he was leading the case. I said: &quot;All right, no problem.&quot;

He assigned to me that I should prepare Michael Manley, leading him in evidence. He was going to take cross-examination of John Hearne and so on. I had 88 hours of conference with Michael Manley, preparing him. And one of the things that happened is that I mock cross-examined him.

&quot;<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Among the justifications that The Gleaner had pleaded were: what he had allowed D.K. Duncan to do; what had happened in relation to Paul Burke; what had happened in relation to Tony Spaulding;</span> how he had kept Tony Spauldingin his Cabinet after this finding by the Commission of Enquiry. I had known at the time that The Gleaner had served a subpoena on my father to produce his reports. My father had taken the position that he had handed over his reports to the Governor-General, because he wasn't going to get involved in that controversy at that time. But also I knew that he had been subpoenaed.&quot;

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Initially it was alleged that JLP gunmen had surrounded a building, at 182 Orange Lane, inhabited by PNP supporters, set it on fire, had even thrown a baby back into the fire </span>and prevented firemen from reaching the building. This took place on May 19, 1976 a<span style="font-size: 14pt">nd was one of the events cited when the PNP Govern-ment declared a State of Emergency the next month, in June 1976.</span> The Jamaica Labour Party refuted these claims, countering that the building, which had been purchased by the Ministry of Housing, of which Tony Spaulding was the Minister, had been marked for destruction and that it was in fact PNP gunmen who carried out the action with high-powered weapons and Molotov cocktails to force Labourites from the area.

I<span style="text-decoration: underline">ndictment </span>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">That a former member of the PNP Government should be alleging that Manley suppressed part of the report by the Commission of Enquiry and in so doing smeared Justice Small's reputation would be an indictment of Michael Manley's administration and makes one wonder if the fear of either a suppressed report appearing, or of witnesses who had testified at a closed hearing being called, might have contributed to Manley's dropping the case against The Gleaner. </span>

It also makes one wonder about the nature of the role Tony Spaulding played within the administration during that turbulent period of Jamaica's history.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can only provide info about CIA direct involvement in the Eventide fire</div></div>

The CIA set the Eventide Fire?
This news to I. </div></div>

Yes set it up....Instigate plan and supplied funds and material] </div></div>

My friend the CIA had nothing to do with the Eventide Fire, <span style="text-decoration: line-through">similarly the Orange lane fire, the Gold Street Massacre or Green Bay.
</span>As I have said all these matter were widely reported when it happened. All these matters formed the basis of songs by well known Jamaican Artiste from the streets who had friends and relatives that perished in these ordeals not one time was the CIA mentioned.

<span style="font-weight: bold">You have not shown one bit of evidence to suggest otherwise........not one shred</span>. </div></div>

If you believe this, then I have very little to other than that you are either intellecyually dishonest or not reading what I am posting.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No..... My point is that the CIA were running covert operations in Jamaica and the truth to these are just now being made public knowledge. Starting with the Evenintide fire and the poisoning of fluor.</div></div>

The CIA might have poisoned some <span style="font-size: 14pt">fluor</span> but not the Lion Head Flour.
The PNP bungled the shipment of flour and caused it own supporters to die from the poisoning. It was contamination and not an act of sabotaged that caused the poisoning of the flour. </div></div>

Sure while we know that not long before the CIA poison both Milk and sugar in Cuba.