RIP Hon Dudley Thompson

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What you saw as an attack, seemed to me Manley was protecting Charles from his overzealous supporters </div></div>

There were at least three attacks where Saint Michael Manley was involved in. At all time he turned up with armed supporters. Some of the same men that you claimed the CIA used to kill old folks in the sleep and toss babies into fires set by them.</div></div>

Yet the example you provided shows Manley saving or protecting the life of a political rival and the other shows Manley invovle in what appears to be a cover up to protect Tony Spaulding?


Men with guns with a public figure is not strange, could be security.....in Jamaica it is just as often enforcers.
Their are Political enforcers of both parties.
It is the nature of politics in Jamaica that our leaders often rob shoulders with these killers - ala &quot;dudus and Bruce Golding or Massop and Edward Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have not produced on single bit of evidence to show how the CIA was connected to:
Green Bay
<span style="font-weight: bold">Eventide Home</span>
Orange Lane Fire
Rema Massacre
Top Hill
Spanish Town
Using the same characters that were known and acknowledged PNP members/supporters and even elected Members of Parliament.</div></div>

STOP THE DISHONESTY.
I have stated on countless occassion that I can only connect one act of violence to CIA activity in Jamaica and that is &quot;eventide&quot; and has done so with a video clip down to the second.
If that does not count as corroborating evidence then what will?

The paucity of info regarding CIA activities in Jamaica is as a nature of how they operate. The CIA GOES TO GREAT LENGTH TO HIDE THEIR INVOLVEMENT, with the intent to lay blame and cause in the lap of the Government they hope to discredit

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anything what you have admitted is that the PNP and the CIA worked to kill Jamaican Citizens, starting from the late 60s to the 80s. </div></div>

Without adoubt you are extremely partisan and intellectually dishonesty.
If I admitted to anything is that agents of the CIA and supporters of both the PNP and JLP where invovle in the violence, for you to leave out the JLP and the fact that I said &quot;supporters of ' is rank deception

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The CIA often did not say who should be killed or burned or where to shoot up, what it did was to find a couple a dissatisfied hunger and angry &quot;rude bwoys&quot; provide them with money and guns, in an already volatile situation and then leave them to their own devices.

The entire thrust was to discredit the Manley Government, and any violence no matter how or committed by whom would aid in accomplishing this end....especially if you can implicate Manley or his Government directly.</div></div>

So Winston Blake, George Spence, Anthony Tingle, George Phang and Tony Welch were CIA agents ? </div></div>
Not agents but most likely pawns....thought I recognize them as known PNP enforcers.
These are individuals who if given the funds will do what is asked regardless of political affiliations.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yet the example you provided shows Manley saving or protecting the life of a political rival ....</div></div>

Really?
First on more than one occasion Mr. Charles mentioned Saint Michael Manley and violence in the same breath. It was not just one incident.
Secondly in not one of the incident did he try to stop the attacks on Mr. Charles.

Again my question is was the CIA plotting against Saint Michael since the day he entered Public Life using known and trusted PNP thugs?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[The paucity of info regarding CIA activities in Jamaica is as a nature of how they operate. </div></div>.....Yet in all or most of the incidents:

Green Bay Massacre
Orange Lane Massacre
Eventide Home Fire
Gold Street Massacre
Top Hill Shooting
Spanish Town Shooting

The perps and co-conspirators were readily id --ed all turned out to be known trusted PNP Thugs and even Elected PNP MPs.
Are you saying that for decades the CIA were working through,known trusted PNP thugs?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The CIA often did not say who should be killed or burned or where to shoot up, what it did was to find a couple a dissatisfied hunger and angry &quot;rude bwoys&quot; provide them with money and guns, in an already volatile situation and then leave them to their own devices.

The entire thrust was to discredit the Manley Government, and any violence no matter how or committed by whom would aid in accomplishing this end....especially if you can implicate Manley or his Government directly.</div></div>

So Winston Blake, George Spence, Anthony Tingle, George Phang and Tony Welch were CIA agents ? </div></div>
Not agents but most likely pawns....thought I recognize them as known PNP enforcers.
These are individuals who if given the funds will do what is asked regardless of political affiliations. </div></div>

So you are saying for sure, your CIA<span style="font-style: italic"> (of which you are the only living expert on</span>), used:

Winston Burry Boy Blake
George Feathermop Spence
Anthony Starkey Tingle
George Pang
Milton Tony Welch
Dudley Thompson
D. K. Duncan
Anthony Spauldings
George Flash
Anthony Brown

To commit acts of violence against Jamaicans over decades?
<span style="font-size: 20pt">Do you have the proof</span>?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">STOP THE DISHONESTY.
I have stated on countless occassion that I can only connect one act of violence to CIA activity in Jamaica and that is &quot;eventide&quot; </div></div>
How have you connected the CIA with the Eventide home?
Even to this day Comrades apologists are always make out that the Eventide Fire was an accident cause by a <span style="font-weight: bold">fight between two warring gangs</span> and that is was not political at all.

Maybe they did not get the memo but nowhere was it ever mentioned that the CIA has zilch to do with the fire.As I have said before nowhere in your comments have you used not one single report of contemporary media, journalists, Jamaicans living in Jamaica at the time or any other sane, independent witness all you have is some clown mouthing off about stuff they know zero about.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Without adoubt you are extremely partisan and intellectually dishonesty.
If I admitted to anything is that agents of the CIA and supporters of both the PNP and JLP where invovle in the violence, for you to leave out the JLP and the fact that I said &quot;supporters of ' is rank deception </div></div>

Yes I am Partisan to the truth first.
To Jamaica second.
To my Party third.

Intellectual dishonest? You would have to be an intellectual first then a liar.
I am neither. I did not do very well in school and since I am posting the facts there is zero to lie about.

No one force you to admit that the CIA, the PNP and the JLP were/are involved.
You introduced the CIA in a discussion about Dudley Thompson s role in the Green Bay massacre. You have yet to provide any proof of your contentions.

The PNP is involved because it was planned and controlled by the Leadership of the PNP. The JLP is involved because the men killed and wounded were all JLP supporters.
All the rest of the killings, tortures and massacres were committed by PNP thugs on Jamaican citizens. Some were JLP supporters, some were random Jamaicans but many were PNP Supporters as well.

I honestly don't know many incidents that rise to this level of killings and abuse that the JLP Party is/was a part of. <span style="font-size: 20pt">If you know</span>, feel free to post them, we will ruminate on them.
At this late stage, throwing filth and ad hominem attacks my way is not going to do much good. I am the master of the counter attack, <span style="font-size: 20pt">filth for filth.</span>

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yet the example you provided shows Manley saving or protecting the life of a political rival ....</div></div>

Really?
First on more than one occasion Mr. Charles mentioned Saint Michael Manley and violence in the same breath. It was not just one incident.
Secondly in not one of the incident did he try to stop the attacks on Mr. Charles.

Again my question is was the CIA plotting against Saint Michael since the day he entered Public Life using known and trusted PNP thugs?

</div></div>

The very article you post refutes that assertion, as it can be clearly seen that Manley was indeed trying to protect him from harm.

The CIA did not start to target Manley's Governement until sometime in the 70's.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[The paucity of info regarding CIA activities in Jamaica is as a nature of how they operate. </div></div>.....Yet in all or most of the incidents:

Green Bay Massacre
Orange Lane Massacre
Eventide Home Fire
Gold Street Massacre
Top Hill Shooting
Spanish Town Shooting

The perps and co-conspirators were readily id --ed all turned out to be known trusted PNP Thugs and even Elected PNP MPs.
Are you saying that for decades the CIA were working through,known trusted PNP thugs? </div></div>

Exactley what the CIA wanted you to think and you still thinking it today.
Do not get me wrong what I am saying is that the atmosphere of violence was orchestrated or used and further inflamed by the CIA, they would use anyone that would help in placing the blame on the Manley government.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R_C</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The CIA often did not say who should be killed or burned or where to shoot up, what it did was to find a couple a dissatisfied hunger and angry &quot;rude bwoys&quot; provide them with money and guns, in an already volatile situation and then leave them to their own devices.

The entire thrust was to discredit the Manley Government, and any violence no matter how or committed by whom would aid in accomplishing this end....especially if you can implicate Manley or his Government directly.</div></div>

So Winston Blake, George Spence, Anthony Tingle, George Phang and Tony Welch were CIA agents ? </div></div>
Not agents but most likely pawns....thought I recognize them as known PNP enforcers.
These are individuals who if given the funds will do what is asked regardless of political affiliations. </div></div>

So you are saying for sure, your CIA<span style="font-style: italic"> (of which you are the only living expert on</span>), used:

Winston Burry Boy Blake
George Feathermop Spence
Anthony Starkey Tingle
George Pang
Milton Tony Welch
Dudley Thompson
D. K. Duncan
Anthony Spauldings
George Flash
Anthony Brown

To commit acts of violence against Jamaicans over decades?
<span style="font-size: 20pt">Do you have the proof</span>? </div></div>

Answered this and these types of question with the video clip and will not in future belabour the point which you seem incapable of accepting for obvious partisan reason.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">STOP THE DISHONESTY.
I have stated on countless occassion that I can only connect one act of violence to CIA activity in Jamaica and that is &quot;eventide&quot; </div></div>
How have you connected the CIA with the Eventide home?
Even to this day Comrades apologists are always make out that the Eventide Fire was an accident cause by a <span style="font-weight: bold">fight between two warring gangs</span> and that is was not political at all.

Maybe they did not get the memo but nowhere was it ever mentioned that the CIA has zilch to do with the fire.As I have said before nowhere in your comments have you used not one single report of contemporary media, journalists, Jamaicans living in Jamaica at the time or any other sane, independent witness all you have is some clown mouthing off about stuff they know zero about. </div></div>

This is the same question as the one before have already provided the proof and will not entertain it further

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Without adoubt you are extremely partisan and intellectually dishonesty.
If I admitted to anything is that agents of the CIA and supporters of both the PNP and JLP where invovle in the violence, for you to leave out the JLP and the fact that I said &quot;supporters of ' is rank deception </div></div>

Yes I am Partisan to the truth first.
To Jamaica second.
To my Party third.

Intellectual dishonest? You would have to be an intellectual first then a liar.
I am neither. I did not do very well in school and since I am posting the facts there is zero to lie about.

No one force you to admit that the CIA, the PNP and the JLP were/are involved.
You introduced the CIA in a discussion about Dudley Thompson s role in the Green Bay massacre. You have yet to provide any proof of your contentions.

The PNP is involved because it was planned and controlled by the Leadership of the PNP. The JLP is involved because the men killed and wounded were all JLP supporters.
All the rest of the killings, tortures and massacres were committed by PNP thugs on Jamaican citizens. Some were JLP supporters, some were random Jamaicans but many were PNP Supporters as well.

I honestly don't know many incidents that rise to this level of killings and abuse that the JLP Party is/was a part of. <span style="font-size: 20pt">If you know</span>, feel free to post them, we will ruminate on them.
At this late stage, throwing filth and ad hominem attacks my way is not going to do much good. I am the master of the counter attack, <span style="font-size: 20pt">filth for filth.</span> </div></div>

Of course the JLP were all saints, Jim brown, Zackie, Biya, Massop.
You do not want truth you still fighting a long dead partisan war

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[This is the same question as the one before have already provided the proof and will not entertain it further </div></div>

Yes it is the same question.
You didn't have answer, but considering the fact that you werewere the one that occasioned the questions. That you have posted tons of arguments that are mere conjecture and does not answer the questions in any way shape or form, of whether or not the CIA was responsible for Green Bay; Eventide; Orange Lane; Rema; Gold Street, Top Hill, Spanish Town. Then the only other recourse is to continue to ask the same questions.
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Did the CIA light a fire that killed old folks in their sleep.[*]Did the CIA toss babies forward into a fire set in the Community of Orange Lane.[*]Did the CIA shoot up a Dance at Gold Street.[*]Did the CIA commit arson at Rema.[*]Did the CIA shooot two little girls at Top Hill.[*]Did CIA the shoot up Spanish Town.[*]Did the CIA kill 5 men and injured a number of others at Green Bay.[/list]

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course the JLP were all saints, Jim brown, Zackie, Biya, Massop. </div></div>

That is <span style="font-size: 20pt">your</span> argument.
The Post started with the death of Dudley Thompson and his involvement in Green Bay.
You were the one who brought the CIA in.
So far you have provided zero proof that the CIA killed those men at Green Bay and injured the others.

If <span style="font-size: 20pt">you</span> have something to say on Jim brown; Zackie; Biya; Massop, go right ahead say it, no one is stopping you.... abortively no one but <span style="font-size: 20pt">you</span>!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You do not want truth you still fighting a long dead partisan war </div></div>

My friend I am a <span style="font-weight: bold">PNP</span> Supporter. <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">I do not know one Labourite</span>. I was born and raised in a PNP Garrison. I lived there most of my life. My address in Jamaica is still there.
I have<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"> never</span> lived in a JLP Garrison.
I am not fighting no war. This is a Bulletin Board, one is free to discuss anything.
I did not introduce the JLP vs PNP.
In my long association with this Board I can say without contradiction, that 9 times out of ten when 70s or any Politics comes up is always the rabid Comrade sympathizers who continue to fight the tribal political battles.

I care not whether you are JLP. PNP or no P. Lay some arguments on, but come with facts. Your only recourse is to now say the truth .....that all along you had plan to continue a tribal political battle....<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">As your chief cheerleader had said</span><span style="font-style: italic"> (paraphrasing)</span>, you brought the weapons...<span style="font-size: 20pt">you win!</span>