RIP Hon Dudley Thompson

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You clutching at straws </div></div>
It is you would attempted to clutch at straws.
We know what exactly happened at Green Bay.
There were all kinds of news reports, personal accounts and an official enquiry.
You have rejected every sane reports in favour of something you conjured in <span style="font-weight: bold">your own noggin</span>!.

[Tuff Gong]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">VIDEO: A cry from Green Bay</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">BY HG HELPS Editor-at-Large
[email protected]
Monday, April 16, 2012</span>

A survivor of the Green Bay massacre 34 years ago is crying out to the Government for assistance, even as he declared that he had forgiven the Jamaica Defence Force (JDF), whose soldiers shot dead five other men at the army’s firing range in the hills of Hellshire, St Catherine, on January 5, 1978.

Delroy Anthony Griffiths, 58, one of three survivors of the brutal onslaught, and the only one who still lives in Jamaica, told the Jamaica Observer in an exclusive interview last week that he was not bitter with the JDF and the Government, but wants his own situation to be given urgent attention.

Four other men from the Central Kingston inner-city community of Southside escaped the shooting and lived to tell how they were lured to the JDF shooting range with the promise of jobs, but ended with bullets coming at them instead.
Nowadays, Griffiths, who is called ‘Green Bay’, among other names, by those who know him and understand the history of the event, hustles to make a living by his own admission. But the ends do not always meet.

“Government should do something special for the people who survived Green Bay. They should be living easy. Government should be giving them everything,” Griffiths said.
“That was wickedness. I don’t know why they killed the men. War gun come out, come kill man after you say you going give him work? The army bring that out. A joke that, boss! We should have everything from travelling allowance to everything. It look like the Government take us for fools,” he said.

The Southside resident buys and sells items to supplement the money that he gets from his five children, all based overseas.
He also benefits from contributions from business people in the downtown Kingston area, including Observer director and head of the Bashco and MegaMart chain of stores, Gassan Azan Jnr.

“Mr Bashco (Azan) help me a lot,” Griffiths said. “Apart from that, I buy some little ‘ray ray’ things when I have money, and sell them back.

“You have some people who I can go to and they will give me a thing because they ‘rate’ me. There are people who will lend me even a $2,000 and when money come (from overseas) I pay them first, because I will tell them me nah borrow from no hungry belly people and I don’t want anybody to run me down,” he said.

“Some people mek up noise if I borrow from them and they don’t get it back right away. Times rough with me. I want some support to do some buying and selling. I am trying to behave myself,” Griffiths said, referring to a desire not to steal again, having spent time in prison for such acts.

“I don’t like to sit down not doing anything. Anytime I sit down I feel miserable,” he said. “I also want somewhere to live for myself. I live with family now, and my family is nice, but I don’t like to hitch up where family is.
“Politicians don’t give me anything. If they even want to give me anything, it wouldn’t happen, because as I wake up I gone to town (downtown), I can’t take to sit on the corner. I have done too much of that,” he added.
At the end of an inquest into the massacre, a court awarded survivors $5,500, which Griffiths scoffed at as an insult to him.

“People were saying to us ‘oonu nah get no money’, so when the time came for us to get money, they gave us $5,500, and I just took it and threw it in my youth hand to go to Germany to become a soldier. Is fool dem tek people for,” he fumed.
“They used to give the children of those killed some money until they cut it off,” he added.
The emotional scars of Green Bay remain etched in him and he vividly recalled the events of the day that forever changed his life and those of the 10 other men who went there, from an initial group of 14 that had committed to making the trip up to a day before.

“I still screw (get angry) whenever I think about my friends who died over Green Bay, but I have forgiven the army and the Government, although they could do more for me. I don’t get no help. I should get looked after good and not depend on what my youth them giving me,” he said.
“I still thank father God that I am still here.

“I don’t have any bad feelings against the army now… no bitterness towards them, because if anything they have to protect us when it comes to certain things,” he said.
However, he is still bitter about the words uttered by former National Security Minister Dudley Thompson, who assumed portfolio responsibility weeks after the incident.
Thompson, who died in January this year, aged 95, made the infamous statement ‘No angels died at Green Bay’ in the aftermath of the event, for which his People’s National Party Administration was severely criticised.

Thompson, who also served as a diplomat to several African nations, and who was a brilliant lawyer, was out of order and disrespectful, Griffiths said.
“He was no angel either,” Griffiths hit back.
“See him dead and nobody no shoot him. It was a wicked act and he was more wicked than some of those men who went to Green Bay, because those men just lived off football,” Griffiths said.

Thompson, however, apologised publicly, twice, for the statement.
Asked whether he thinks there could there be another incident like that at Green Bay, Griffiths said: “Bwoy, to how the time running wicked, anything can happen. Time a get wicked. Nuff more people will die just so. Right now I don’t even stand up at South in a crowd again, because a man will go out there and do a thing and others don’t know. You see when a man come and see him victim, him just start shooting and you don’t know that other people in the way. That’s how people die all the while.”
Griffiths also spoke about his incarcerations.

“You must try not to go jail now, because you no must come back out,” he said. “The first time me go GP (General Penitentiary) and stay so (posing) in my Clarks (shoes) and stripes I just hear a warder say, ‘hey bwoy, tek you hand out a yuh pocket, ah nuh your own again. Me just take out me hand, because a dem rule over deh.”
He admitted that he grew up with some notorious badmen, including Claudie Massop, who ran West Kingston as its ‘Don’ for several years, before he was killed on Spanish Town Road while he was on his way from a horse-racing meet at Caymanas Park.
Griffiths, while citing personal deficiencies, economically and socially, has no real health issues and credits his physical activities and spiritual leanings for that.
“I am well fit. The amount of walking I do in the daytime, through the buy and sell business, me nuh want no more exercise than that,” he said.
“Is one thing, me glad me never dead at Green Bay. I praise God and say me glad, but that’s how it go already.

“At night-time I say, God guide and protect me and everyone else around me. Some people only wait until something happen and then dem say, ‘Lord God’. Some people don’t even say their prayers. I don’t read the Bible, but I make sure I say my prayers every night. I am a God-bless man and my children are God-blessed,” Griffiths said.
It has not been all doom and gloom for Griffiths though, as he sometimes gets celebrity-like attention when he travels downtown.

“Right now, me walking on the road down King Street and a hear ‘rrrrr’ (screeching sound) and see pure big neck police push out them head and say ‘Green Bay, go cross the road,’ and no car can’t move until me go cross. Dem time deh me walk even slower. Some people must be saying this man is prime minister,” he said.
“Every police officer know me. They will say, ‘a him name Green Bay, you know. A him escape over so,’” Griffiths said.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You clutching at straws </div></div>
It is you would attempted to clutch at straws.
We know what exactly happened at Green Bay.
There were all kinds of news reports, personal accounts and an official enquiry.
You have rejected every sane reports in favour of something you conjured in <span style="font-weight: bold">your own noggin</span>!. </div></div>

stated.

<span style="font-weight: bold">McCalpin is supported by Jamaican church leaders who want the truth about politically-tainted extra-judicial killings by agents of the state, such as those in Green Bay, St Catherine in 1978; the role of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Jamaica and the political violence and destabilisation of the economy in the 1970's. </span>They add to the list more recent scandals which have catapulted the country into international notoriety, the Kraal police killings of May 2003, and the role of US law firm Manatt, Phelps and Phillips in the extradition of Christopher &quot;Dudus&quot; Coke.
Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz1sI2Uo6W2

Contrary to what you are trying to protray, CIA involvement in violent crimes in Jamaica during the 1970's is not something I made up nor am I alone in thinking so.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Contrary to what you are trying to protray, CIA involvement in violent crimes in Jamaica during the 1970's is not something I made up nor am I alone in thinking so. </div></div> I know. I did not say it was........

I said (repeat): We know what happened at Green Bay.
The discussion here is or was about Green Bay.
You have not brought one iota of proof that the CIA was involved with the Green Bay Killings.
Further more when you attempted to drive the discussions off-course with other submissions (zero related to Green Bay), you could not prove those either.

So my friend once again it is<span style="font-weight: bold"> you</span> who is grabbing straws.
Come with some proof!

[franksterr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Contrary to what you are trying to protray, CIA involvement in violent crimes in Jamaica during the 1970's is not something I made up nor am I alone in thinking so. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know. I did not say it was........</div></div>
What then did you mean by<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have rejected every sane reports in favour of something you conjured in your own noggin!.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I said (repeat): We know what happened at Green Bay.</div></div>

Yes we do

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The discussion here is or was about Green Bay</div></div>

I thought it was about Dudley Thompson
.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have not brought one iota of proof that the CIA was involved with the Green Bay Killings.
Further more when you attempted to drive the discussions off-course with other submissions (zero related to Green Bay), you could not prove those either.</div></div>

Green bay killings is not the issue this thread heading is addressing.

CIA operations are called COVERT for a reason.
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If In a rush jump to minutes starting at 2:29 - 3:12

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So my friend once again it is<span style="font-weight: bold"> you</span> who is grabbing straws.
Come with some proof! </div></div>

I have no need to, the preponderance of international opinion is that the CIA was at work in Jamaica destabilizing the Manley government. From ex CIA operatives to Ex JLP enforcers and assassins and Journalist have attested to this fact some in US Courts of Law.
In the end the CIA won out and now even members of the PNP question those days.....History is written by the victors. If you need the help of the US, the IMF and or the WB then it becomes necessary to take this stance and deny CIA involvement in Jamaica.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What then did you mean by[quote]You have rejected every sane reports in favour of something you conjured in your own noggin!.</div></div>

Exactly what I have said.
you have produced zero evidence that the CIA consistently paid PNP thugs to kill Jamaicans in none of the examples cited by <span style="font-weight: bold">you</span>..... but that is<span style="font-weight: bold"> your </span>claim.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was about Dudley Thompson</div></div>
Typically when someone of any importance (however great/small), and they are discussed the main influences pro and cons are discussed.

But if you want to get technical what does the CIA directing and arming PNP thugs to kill Jamaicans have to do with Dudley Thompson's death?

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Green bay killings is not the issue this thread heading is addressing</div></div>
Ok fine you don't want to talk about Green Bay and I overstand.
Can you show I proof that the CIA, directed, armed, trained and or paid PNP thugs to kill Jamaicans?

[Tuff Gong]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Death Postponed: Mike Henry’s brush with a double-barrelled gun</span>
Veteran is first politician to be shot on campaign trail
<span style="font-style: italic">BY HG HELPS
Editor-at-large [email protected]

Sunday, April 22, 2012</span>

This is the 10th in a series recounting close encounters with death by Jamaicans.
THE scars of Mike Henry’s encounter with a political gunman 36 years ago remain to this day.

“Look at this finger,” the veteran politician said, extending his left index finger to reveal an area of sunken skin. “This is a pellet.”

Henry, 76, is the first Jamaican politician to be shot during a general election campaign, an incident that marked a new phase in Jamaican politics and left him pondering his future in the profession in which he made his name.

In an interview with the Jamaica Observer at his central Kingston publishing house last week, he recalled the harrowing incident.

“When I was announcing (candidate) Lloyd Mairs in Clarendon, I can remember clearly someone being on the phone in Four Paths obviously speaking to someone in York Town. Prior to this, in York Town I had perhaps made a mistake of confronting a PNP (People’s National Party) motorcade and making it divert. Of course, you shouldn't make those kinds of challenges in those days,” Henry said.

“So there were rumours as to what was going to happen. There were rumours as to who was going to be shot. We were on a motorcade moving into York Town and I was heading up the advance team in the motorcade that was making the announcements 15 minutes before Eddie Seaga, Percy Broderick and the others came through,” he continued.
“It got to a point when a stone came over and hit one of the vehicles. Knowing that the leader Seaga and others were following, I wanted to make absolutely sure of what the situation was, so I paused and asked the security to make sure that everything was in place.

“I got out of my vehicle and asked where the stone came from and they pointed toward a house where this gentleman lived. I started to walk there, and to this day, I will never forget. I now know that when you hear a shot, you are safe. Once you hear the shot, you are still alive, but by then I had not been experienced enough being shot, so I didn't really know,” he said, attempting to make light of the situation.

“I suddenly heard an explosion and felt a sting and saw blood everywhere. The young man beside me, Tidley Watson, whose son Levaughn plays football for Jamaica, was my youth leader. His eye was shot. He later went blind in that eye and there is nothing worse than losing your sight,” said Henry.
The incident left him badly shaken, but the politician pulled through.
Henry, who walks with a limp as a result of the shooting, later lost the election for the then newly created Central Clarendon seat by 884 votes (5,545 - 4,661) to the PNP’s Orville D (OD) Ramtallie. It marked the only time that he lost an election, coming on the heels of eight other victories, making him and another JLP stalwart, Karl Samuda — who once switched allegiance to the PNP — the longest serving members of Parliament.
“I am told I am alive today because the bird season had been cancelled in terms of shooting using the doublebarrelled shotgun, and therefore the penetrative effect of the bullets were not strong enough to have done me greater damage,” Henry told the Sunday Observer.

“Up to now I still have pellets that come out of my body. Why they (doctors) said they didn't do some operations is that the body repels lead, therefore it pushes it back up. So, since I took the full blast of the doublebarrelled shotgun, I have hundreds of pellets still in my body. You will see me even walk with a limp,” said Henry, who remembers very little from the point of impact to when he found himself on a hospital bed.

“The only thing I heard them (security) say is ‘take the gun and get out of here’. I knew nothing else, except that I woke up in the May Pen Hospital and they had to rush me into Kingston. They didn't have an ambulance so they had to get the Jamalco ambulance and that guy was driving so fast that I am wondering if I would survive the bullets and then end up dying in an accident. It was my first experience and I didn't know how serious any of the injuries were.

Henry, who was the transport and works minister in the JLP administration before resigning in November last year, said while the gunman was firing at him, he instinctively placed his hands on the crotch of his pants, invariably to protect his scrotal area.

“After that they brought me into Kingston and I recovered two weeks later. I was incapacitated during that election campaign, so I campaigned in that 1976 election on crutches, because I also had an accident that broke my leg. My theme then was ‘ballots not bullets’,” Henry said.

Henry, the managing director of LMH (Lester Michael Henry) Publishing, started working with the JLP in 1972, prior to the election that saw the PNP, under new leader Michael Manley, ending a two-term run by the labour party. He had been running the largest chain of fast-food restaurants called Mike's, Home of the Famous Nyamburger, which involved sidewalk dining, a 24-hour service and free newspapers on Sundays, among other things.

The success of the food chain prompted a suggestion from his close friend Derrick Mahfood that he enter elective politics. He took Mahfood up, but lost out in a race for the Central St Catherine constituency by two votes in an election held in Tivoli Gardens.
“When I went to Spanish Town it was Abe Dabdoub who was supposed to be leading the charge for the JLP.

“It turned out that Granville Williams was there trying to challenge for the seat. In the run-up it became pretty volatile and that was the first selection process that was not held in a constituency. They moved it to Tivoli and a branch was established overnight and I lost by two votes,” he said.

Trouble started brewing too when he formed the Dockers and Marine Workers Union with pal Scully Scott, which soon resulted in the unionising of most of the banana workers at Oracabessa in the heart of PNP territory in Western St Mary. But politics was his scene and Henry stepped up the pace in a bid to get elected.

Soon after, the Beckford &amp; Smith — now St Jago High School — past student, who holds the distinction of leading the school to its first Sunlight Cup cricket title when he captained the team during the 1950s, headed to Clarendon where his family roots were entrenched, following prompting from JLP top notches Percy Broderick and Bruce Golding.

Taking on the large Central Clarendon seat had huge geographical challenges. Differences in political ideology didn’t make things any easier for Henry either, as he experienced other violent acts that often characterised political campaigning.

“I rented Ms Gatty's house in Mocho, but the house was set on fire and partially burnt one night. The bedroom that I used to sleep in was sprayed with M16 bullets. The only reason I wasn't at home that night was when I got to Four Paths, somebody told me that it wouldn't be wise to bother to go home tonight as there were so many activities around,” Henry stated.

Describing the kind of politics that marked the 1976 election campaign as “confrontational”, Henry's emotion showed when he reflected on the slaughter one night when nine people were shot dead and 26 houses burnt to the ground during a motorcade in May Pen, the Clarendon capital, as then PNP president and prime minister Michael Manley's team passed through Western Park.

“In fact, we had a mass funeral for the people three weeks later. That was sad. I also saw my publishing business burnt to the ground in Kingston and political signs put up,” he said.
More agony was in store for Henry that year when one of his children was incarcerated during the controversial state of emergency.

There were even diplomatic challenges as Henry and Armando Ulises Estrada firebrand Cuban ambassador to Jamaica at the time, and Henry’s neighbour at Millsborough Avenue in Barbican, St Andrew, squared off on a few occasions. Estrada, who is retired and now lives in Havana, was expelled by the JLP government weeks after it took office in October 1980 and Jamaica chopped diplomatic relations with Cuba a year later as a result of the frosty relationship at the time.

“I had lived in front of Estrada, and my wife, family and I, faced a lot of issues. Estrada objected to one fundraising venture that I had at my house, so he came out of his home onto the street to say that my noise was disturbing him.

“On my side we had a lot of guests and two of them were Edward Seaga and Hugh Shearer. I went into the street, Estrada and I exchanged issues, almost physically and then the next thing I know is all the JDF tanks surrounded my house at Millsborough. Nobody could leave or enter the party.

“I had Mr Seaga and Mr Shearer in my bedroom and they had to call Dudley Thompson (former minister of national security), who came and spoke to Estrada, then came and spoke to me while the tanks were at the foot of the road.

“In the lead-up to the 1976 election I had to confront the army too, because of the way politics went then and we still have a little bit of it left, is [their belief] that you go in and wipe out an area. Tivoli faces those challenges today,” Henry said.
The former minister has also had his house raided by the security forces multiple times.
“I had my house raided several times. The army surrounded my house leading up to the 1980 election and rumours flew that they were going to lock me up for all of the various issues that people try to say politicians are involved in.
“I remember Mr Maurice Azan was one of my campaign managers, and I remember he and I driving to my home, because I got a call from my then wife Camille that my house was surrounded by soldiers — tanks and machine guns around the house. When we drove up to the house, they pulled out Maurice, a gentleman of high repute, physically, out of the van. They had acetylene torches cutting off my door,” Henry said.
Later, Henry came under pressure when he dared to challenge Seaga for the leadership of the JLP during the tumultuous 1990s. He was defeated, but the threats and name-calling at the National Arena revealed signs of glaring discomfort from factions in the JLP camp.

“In challenging Eddie Seaga for the leadership, it was expected that you would be threatened in the sense of the strength of Tivoli, but that didn't deter me, because I felt challenges should not be made surreptitiously, they shouldn't be made through gangs, groups or organisations. The way they set up things showed me that I couldn't get the number of votes that were necessary. I always feel threatened by politics,” said Henry, who alleged that although the rules were that neither he nor Seaga should have entered the arena until the voting was over, the former prime minister was allowed in.

“I felt that the structure of the JLP needed to be democratically challenged, but I equally felt that it was time for us to re-look and recharge ourselves with new leadership,” said Henry in reflection.
“I had made my message very clear, that I had enough will of the people behind me, in Central Clarendon, that if indeed it meant confrontation, let’s have the confrontation,” he added.

Henry was the last nationally elected deputy leader of the JLP, pre-dating the current system where there four regional deputies.
“I was not supposed to be elected a deputy leader at the time but I became one with the highest number of votes when I challenged for deputy leader,” he told the Sunday Observer.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=franksterr]What then did you mean by<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have rejected every sane reports in favour of something you conjured in your own noggin!.</div></div>

Exactly what I have said.
you have produced zero evidence that the CIA consistently paid PNP thugs to kill Jamaicans in none of the examples cited by <span style="font-weight: bold">you</span>..... but that is<span style="font-weight: bold"> your </span>claim. </div></div>

The Main thrust of my arguments has been that the CIA will Use Jamaicans of any political affiliation to kill and hurt Jamaicans of any political affiliations as a means to discredit the then Government of Jamaica......That fact I have proven.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok fine you don't want to talk about Green Bay and I overstand.
Can you show I proof that the CIA, directed, armed, trained and or paid PNP thugs to kill Jamaicans?</div></div>

I have spoken about the green bay killings ad nauseam my point has been and continues to be that the violence in Jamaica during the 70,s was fueled and exacerbated by the CIA.....this does not in anyway mean that Violence was not in Jamaica's politics before the CIA.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Main thrust of my arguments has been that the CIA will Use Jamaicans of any political affiliation to kill and hurt Jamaicans of any political affiliations as a means to discredit the then Government of Jamaica......That fact I have proven.
</div></div>
No it neither fact, nor has it been proven by you.
You are just plain lying.
You have not shown one ounce of proof that the CIA organized the killing and burning of Jamaicans, using PNP Thugs.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have spoken about the green bay killings ... </div></div>

Where you main arguments about Green Bay was to post a video concerning an unproven allegation about the 187 old folks that died in the Eventide Fire.
The rest of the arguments, essentially repeated that same unproven allegations.

Your arguments essentially is every single time the CIA needed criminal surrogates in Jamaica to burn, kill and destroy Jamaicans they found the same Saint Michael Maley connected PNP Thugs that had been causing mayhem since before Saint Michael came to power.

<span style="color: #3333FF">So you are saying the PNP <span style="font-style: italic">(or essentially high ups in the PNP Party)</span>, was working with the CIA to cause death and destruction in Jamaica to discredit the elected Government for by the victorious PNP Party</span>......How believable is this ish?

[franksterr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have spoken about the green bay killings ...

Where you main arguments about Green Bay was to post a video concerning an unproven allegation about the 187 old folks that died in the Eventide Fire.
The rest of the arguments, essentially repeated that same unproven allegations.</div></div>
Yes.....The eventide fire was and is one of my main supporting idea, that the CIA was enmesh in the violence in Jamaica.
<span style="text-decoration: underline">IF</span> this act was carried out by PNP (as it seems you are saying) thugs then to me it will serve as more info supporting the idea that the CIA had used PNP enforcers to do their dirty work. Personally I do not know if it was PNP or JLP thugs who did it, all I know is that CIA was involve to the extent explained in video - The CIA provided explosive material to one or more individuals who carried out this act.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your arguments essentially is every single time the CIA needed criminal surrogates in Jamaica to burn, kill and destroy Jamaicans they found the same Saint Michael Maley connected PNP Thugs that had been causing mayhem since before Saint Michael came to power.</div></div>

Thats stupid how I am going to know what the CIA does in Jamaica every single time???
No... Jamaican Thugs in general - regardless of political persuasion.
They may have done a few themselves or contracted it out to foreign thugs,



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #3333FF">So you are saying the PNP <span style="font-style: italic">(or essentially high ups in the PNP Party)</span>, was working with the CIA to cause death and destruction in Jamaica to discredit the elected Government for by the victorious PNP Party</span>......How believable is this ish? </div></div>

You may twist turn and frame it how you want, you only fooling youself.
Here is what I am saying - The CIA were in Jamaica and they would infiltrate any organization they can or deem necessary to the furtherance of their goal.....believe it or not.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats stupid how I am going to know what the CIA does in Jamaica every single time??? :dizzy</div></div>

...but this is your claim on zero evidence!
You have not provided one iota of proof yet you make a leap to judgement, that the CIA was involved in these incidents.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes.....The eventide fire was and is one of my main supporting idea, that the CIA was enmesh in the violence in Jamaica</div></div>

What proof in the video is there to support that?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="text-decoration: underline">IF</span> this act was carried out by PNP (as it seems you are saying) </div></div>No .....Not I am saying.
What the victims, victims relatives, eye-witnesses and contemporary local news reports (which you have never referred to once), is saying.
Not I, the CIA was never accuses not once when the Eventide Fire broke out and was investigated..