6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

[Tuff Gong]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Are we witnessing the age old PNP support for the police ? If so, it's regretable..
The foll. link already posted in this thread re: the statement by the Police Federation seems to verify it.. It would appear that the police believe that they are untouchable in questions asked about their &quot;Operation in crime prevention&quot; Why would they lash out against the newly elected Leader of the Opposition? unless they are telling him to &quot;butt out&quot; Are we a democracy or What?

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=35769

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Blessed is the sun, it doesn't discriminate, it shines on everyone..
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The police know with certainty they have a green light to kill at will in certain communities, whether under PNP or JLP.
Based on the fact that:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Jamaicans (including the Human Rights Orgs), had swallowed whole the notion that Dudus was responsible for crime in Jamaica.[*]Jamaicans accept the lie that it was JLP that created and maintained Dudus[*]the removal of Dudus had driven down crime <span style="font-style: italic">(Even though it was proven that while murders went down somewhat about &lt;5%, other crimes actually rose. Meanwhile police seized less guns and cleared up even less murders)</span>[*]Commissioner Of Police is god right now[/ilist]
They were very shocked and surprised that their actions (especially in Denham Town), would be questioned. They have decided to use bluster to counter, what they consider any attack.[/list]

I have no great conspiracy theories, but the general atmosphere of lawlessness <span style="font-style: italic">(including of the security forces - The killings and the beatings of the prisoners)</span>, needs an enabling environment. Recent history has shown that every PNP Government, since 1972 has provided exactly such a climate.
We will see how it pans out, but I know it will turn out bad.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

'I want a hype funeral for my daughter'

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mom of 13-year-old victim, others express anger and grief after Denham Town shootings</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">BY COREY ROBINSON Sunday Observer staff reporter [email protected]
Sunday, March 11, 2012</span>

BEVERLY Kennedy is convinced that her daughter, Nickeita Cameron, was killed by a police bullet.
Thirteen-year-old Nickeita was one of six persons shot dead last Monday in Denham Town, West Kingston, in what the police said was a firefight with gunmen.

The grieving mother is so convinced that the police are to blame for her daughter's death, that she has already compiled a list of demands from the State.
&quot;I want them to bury my daughter decent and nice; no poor people funeral. I want a hype funeral. I want her to get a nice sepulchre. I want there to be a (marching) band, and I want there to be video light,&quot; demanded the 41-year-old mother, tears welling up in her eyes.

&quot;I want her body to be driven in a chariot, because that's what she was planning to carry me in when I die. And I want some help with her 'nine night' because I don't have anything. I am a mother of six and I also take care of my mother and my grandson,&quot; lamented the woman.

&quot;I know all that won't bring her back, but that is what I want for my daughter right now,&quot; she continued, grimacing as she reflected on the loss of her fourth child.
Kennedy said the past week has been hell, adding that she has not eaten because she simply has no appetite; nor slept, because &quot;as me close me eyes is Nickeita me a see&quot;.

The ordeal, she said, is driving her insane, and remaining in the depressed ill-fated tenement yard at 88 Charles Street is only making matters worse, she said.
&quot;I would like them to build me somewhere so I can move the rest of my children so that they (Government) don't send them Government man come kill them. I can't stay in this yard because there is just pure memories,&quot; she moaned.

The memories of last Monday's shootings were equally distressing for Craig Simpson.
Up to yesterday afternoon, he was still grappling with the reality that he would no longer see his father -- 88-year-old Wesley Simpson -- sitting on his small chair inside a passage in the dilapidated house.
Wesley Simpson, who had retired from years of making a living with his handcart at Coronation Market, was shot multiple times as he sat eating on his favourite chair. Yesterday, not even the bloody chair remained -- it was taken for processing by investigators.

&quot;Is just justice I want; that alone. I just want the police to stop acting like people are dogs; it wasn't a shooting range that they were at,&quot; said the younger Simpson. &quot;Is a whole heap of children live in the yard, suppose they were shot, what would they say?&quot; he asked.

&quot;My father don't have a trouble in the world. I work, cook, and make sure him eat food. From he stopped pushing cart is there him sit down; him eat there, sleep there, him don't get up. And now them shoot him and kill him,&quot; Simpson fumed, pointing to the spot from which he dragged his father's lifeless body while ducking bullets during the incident.

Yesterday, anger consumed the more than 30 occupants of the dwelling, who on Monday wept openly as three of their own lay dead inside the narrow passage connecting their rooms. Next door, on Bond Street -- outside 74-year-old George Edmonson's house, where he and two youngsters were killed -- the mood was similar.
Edmonson's daughter, Ann Marie Clarke, has been pouring out her grief in tears.
&quot;I really could not believe when I heard that my father was killed,&quot; she said. &quot;Although he was 74, my father has never been sick. So to hear that he is dead is really hard. My father was a very quiet person, he was very nice, gentle, and loving; everybody had him as a father. I am so angry I cry every 30 minutes.&quot;

According to the police, the six were killed during a 40-minute running gun battle between them and armed thugs. The gunbattle, the cops said, started at the Charles Street premises and continued when they chased the marauding gunmen into an adjoining yard.

Three of the men -- Romaine Stern, 20, also called 'Tete Ras'; Shawn Tyrell, 25, also known as 'Chinnie Man'; and Karlton Alvaranga; all of addresses within the community -- were later identified by the cops as being wanted for murder, shooting with intent, and robbery, among other crimes. Four weapons were taken from the scene, police said.
But yesterday, while the residents did not dispute that the three men may have been wanted, they challenged the police's allegation that there was a shootout.

The residents said the three, whom they claimed grew up at the Charles Street address, were among a group drinking liquor at the front of the premises when the police turned up. The residents said the cops immediately opened fire and the men ran into the passage where Simpson was having breakfast, and where Cameron and other teenagers were sitting.

Stern was shot in the back and died at the rear of the passage.
Tyrell and Alvaranga managed to climb into Edmonson's house nearby, but after realising that they were surrounded, surrendered to the cops, the residents claimed as they insisted that both men were shot in cold blood.

Samantha Braker, 18, was shot in the ankle during that incident, while another resident, Errol Tracey, lifted his shirt to reveal wounds which he claimed he received when a policeman discharged his weapon during a curfew imposed in the area Monday night.

&quot;There was no shootout; they (police) didn't even come into the yard at first. They just stayed outside and started firing shots at the youths in the yard. They murdered them in cold blood,&quot; protested Tanisha Stewart, Cameron's aunt. &quot;Everything that they came out and say about shootout is pure lies. They kill the people them and are now trying to cover it up.&quot;

The incident has sparked much controversy between the Office of the Public Defender, human rights group Jamaicans For Justice (JFJ), and the Jamaica Police Federation.
Executive director for JFJ Carolyn Gomes has described the incident as very unfortunate, and said that proper investigations must be done to determine whether or not the policemen unnecessarily used deadly force during the operation.

In the meantime, Public Defender Earl Witter on Friday defended statements he made which questioned why no police officer was injured during the shootout.
After coming under heavy criticism from Inspector David White, general secretary of the Jamaica Police Federation, Witter, in a release, countered:

&quot;The CCN's (Constabulary Communication Network's) version of events is that the killings took place in the course of an &quot;intense and sustained running gun battle between policemen and gunmen lasting more than 40 minutes,&quot; Witter said.
&quot;This version is vehemently disputed by every member of that community interviewed by this office. The two old men were each killed inside their humble abode. Like the 13-year-old, none of them was ever accused or suspected of any criminal activity,&quot; he continued.

[bee_bop]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

Originally Posted By: Littleman
Considering that bullets don't always take straight paths, as explained in my original posting,


Bullets/Warheads/Projectiles have a certain trajectory it is down to an exact science (plus or minus a few seconds). Without this one could not aim at a target and expect to hit it with any certainty.

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Response: It seems you read selectively, taking statements out of context thus changing their meaning entirely; &quot;The bullet ricochets, like a billiard ball on a pool table, in accord with the Laws of Mechanics in Physics.&quot;</span></span>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: Littleman
Considering that bullets don't always take straight paths, as explained in my original posting,


Bullets/Warheads/Projectiles have a certain trajectory it is down to an exact science (plus or minus a few seconds). Without this one could not aim at a target and expect to hit it with any certainty.

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Response: It seems you read selectively,&quot;</span></span> </div></div>

Same for you.....but I go further you either <span style="font-weight: bold">don't read</span> at all or <span style="font-weight: bold">can't overstand</span> what you write.
I contend, a projectile fired from a firearm has a certain trajectory, it is an exact science.

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Ricochet </span>
noun
The motion of an object or a projectile in <span style="font-weight: bold">rebounding</span> or <span style="font-weight: bold">deflecting </span>one or more times from the surface <span style="color: #FF0000">over which it is passing or against which it hits a glancing blow</span>.
verb (used without object)

[bee_bop]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Same for you.....but I go further you either <span style="font-weight: bold">don't read</span> at all or <span style="font-weight: bold">can't overstand</span> what you write. </div></div> </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">Response: <span style="font-weight: bold">Hmm... If you thought I don't read, or have trouble comprehending what I write, then your response to me was a waste of time...</span></span>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Same for you.....but I go further you either <span style="font-weight: bold">don't read</span> at all or <span style="font-weight: bold">can't overstand</span> what you write. </div></div> </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">Response: <span style="font-weight: bold">Hmm... If you thought I don't read, or have trouble comprehending what I write, then your response to me was a waste of time...</span></span> </div></div>
My response is never a waste of time.
Your actions prove that you carelessly use words either/and/or you don't overstand the meaning, dishonest or just plain stupid.

[bee_bop]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Same for you.....but I go further you either <span style="font-weight: bold">don't read</span> at all or <span style="font-weight: bold">can't overstand</span> what you write. </div></div> </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">Response: <span style="font-weight: bold">Hmm... If you thought I don't read, or have trouble comprehending what I write, then your response to me was a waste of time...</span></span> </div></div>
My response is never a waste of time.
Your actions prove that you carelessly use words either/and/or you don't overstand the meaning, dishonest or just plain stupid. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Response: <span style="color: #000099">Incidentally, my posts are really directed at a general audience, please don't feel any compulsion/obsession to respond to them. </span></span>

[bee_bop]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

Quotation from the Daily Gleaner on March 11, 2012, contributed by Martin Henry:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Despite the excesses of the security forces over time, which should be thoroughly investigated and appropriately punished, I have the deepest sympathy and regard for the personnel in uniform who must place their lives on the line in one of the most dangerous policing environments in the world, and face armed and deadly desperados embedded in protective communities.<span style="color: #000099"> Politics and politicians have made enormous contributions to the growth of crime and violence in this country and to its embedding and normalisation in certain enclaves. When the State deploys its security forces against anti-state armed criminals embedded in these political enclaves, state operatives must face the double jeopardy of criminal guns and a hostile community protective of their paramilitaries.</span> <span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="color: #E3372E">There used to be a concept of treason in jurisprudence, betraying one's country and giving aid and comfort to its enemies</span></span>.</span></div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">This was well stated, and there's not much more that could be done to emphasize the main points of the argument. The only thing is, it raises the question as to whether a Member of Parliament, past or present, could be arrested for breaching the aforementioned concept of treason in jurisprudence?</span></span>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Response: <span style="color: #000099">Incidentally, my posts are really directed at a general audience, please don't feel any compulsion/obsession to respond to them. </span></span> </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">LOL</span> you fool yourself into thinking I was acting on such a premise!

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">......could be arrested for breaching the aforementioned concept of treason in jurisprudence?[/color][/b] </div></div>

How does Treason come into this?
Did you write this comment ...because it seems to match the idiotic ramblings that you have posted thus far?
Here is you again (or another idiot of similar maladjustment), introducing arguments that has zero to do with the irresponsibility displayed by Agents of the State in the combined killings of <span style="font-weight: bold">Love Lane</span> in Montego Bay and <span style="font-weight: bold">Denham Town</span> in Kingston.

[bee_bop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you write this comment ...because it seems to match the idiotic ramblings that you have posted thus far?
Here is you again (or another idiot of similar maladjustment)</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">To deviate from this argument, why is it that when someone disagrees with you, your statements devolve into suggestions of incompetence or inferiority? Is it that making such criticisms fulfill an inadequacy in your personality, a need to demote, and put in the diminutive any opposition to your arguments? Or is it that you are trying to invoke anger by childishly chiding people until you touch them to the bone, merely because they dare to oppose you?

It's rather irrelevant to me, who wrote the original argument, but I suppose in your mind-set you have to get at the heart of the source. If it makes your day any better, yes, I did write that comment. I hope you feel pleased now. I don't know if the torment you feel will lead you to further inane commentary, or if you will finally be able to drive away the demons that fill your mind with compulsion, either way... have fun.</span></span>

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">To deviate from this argument.</span></span> </div></div>.....
<span style="font-weight: bold">you</span> have already done that by a ton!

[Tuff Gong]

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.......anyway forwrad to some more shootings!

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Man Shot For Trespassing At Portmore Police Station</span>

<span style="font-style: italic">Published: Sunday March 11, 2012 | 12:09</span>
A man who was shot and injured at the Portmore police station last night is now in hospital under police guard.

He was shot by the police after he was seen going over the perimeter fence at the station......

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: 6 killed in West Kgn in gunbattle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.......anyway forwrad to some more shootings!

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Man Shot For Trespassing At Portmore Police Station</span>

<span style="font-style: italic">Published: Sunday March 11, 2012 | 12:09</span>
A man who was shot and injured at the Portmore police station last night is now in hospital under police guard. So they had to shoot him? What is wrong with this picture.

He was shot by the police after he was seen going over the perimeter fence at the station...... </div></div>

[Tuff Gong]

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