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Re: If slavery never happened
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you never answered:
Just give me an example of what was a gained opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?
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At this time long after transatlantic slavery and the use of their labour on various plantations we have benefitted not as a white male, but as a society to answer hot headed serenity.
Missis Sukuna, the years subsequent to slavery has brought into the world the Tubmans and Carvers, the Garveys and McKays, the Muhammed Alis and s and millions others both of many other races as you are well aware.
By the humility, the inhumanity, the degradation suffered by your foreparents as slaves and by the extraordinary exploitation by the White owners and the powers that were at the time, does not negate the fact that by all that there has not been benefit and opportunity made to you and others alive today.
The work done on the cotton and cane fields from South America through to the West Indies to North America by your foreparents not only made it wealthy for their owners, but what they did from the first sugar crystalized and the first thread yarned, was to create wealth.
In those days wealth was chanelled to a few and not back to the persons as slaves. Today wealth derived from all their toil and from their lives you, their sons and daughters have benefitted as well as us around you.
From their subjugadation they were free by the spilling of much of their . Being free they were subject to freedoms, such as education and the right to earn a living.
With all that was behind them, they moved on. Today like you, do not live in slave barracks, but in homes, and do not give or allow themselves to be exploited unfairly.
From the imbalanced social structures of the era of slavery and through the making of a society through the era of the Martin Luther King`s civil rights movement and the stances of the Huey`s and Angela Davis` Black Panthers the west has benefitted.
You are no doubt better off than your foreparents ever were.
And you benefitted not only by what you have done for yourself in your lifetime, but by the social structure laid as time went by first started by that slave on the plantation.
Yes serenity bawl as much as you want, we all have benefitted as much as you dont like.
Emotions may cloud the facts but in reality we today have all been given opportunity by the works of slaves and those who have survived and made this world that you draw your salaries a place of liberty and a place to make do what one chooses.
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That was a good post and I agree. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]
Yeah and it's not that I don't accept our history it's the fact that Black people have defined themselves based on white and slavery. Do you notice the major heroes you mentioned except for were mostly about anti-racism and slavery. It's pathetic. While whites have classical music, history that has nothing to do with race, some blacks choose to embrace this thing where our existence, ure, and how we define ourselves has to do with white peoples feelings for blacks and .
I have never defined myself that way. When I think black I don't think pain, white peoples , white peoples discrimination, I think of our rich ure, the music, food, uniqueness in terms of color, features and hair texture and so on. I as an refuse to define myself based on a group of people who more than not black people. Frankly, it's futile. Give me some beautiful black art, no postcards of lynchings telling me that's my history because it's not. Tell me stories of Etta James and Billie Holiday, being a black person and black woman is more than about white people. It looks so pathetic how black people are so dependent and vulnerable to whites.
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you never answered:
Just give me an example of what was a gained opportunity and benefit.
What did our forefathers live and died for in slavery? Whose opportunity and whose benefit?
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At this time long after transatlantic slavery and the use of their labour on various plantations we have benefitted not as a white male, but as a society to answer hot headed serenity.
Missis Sukuna, the years subsequent to slavery has brought into the world the Tubmans and Carvers, the Garveys and McKays, the Muhammed Alis and s and millions others both of many other races as you are well aware.
By the humility, the inhumanity, the degradation suffered by your foreparents as slaves and by the extraordinary exploitation by the White owners and the powers that were at the time, does not negate the fact that by all that there has not been benefit and opportunity made to you and others alive today.
The work done on the cotton and cane fields from South America through to the West Indies to North America by your foreparents not only made it wealthy for their owners, but what they did from the first sugar crystalized and the first thread yarned, was to create wealth.
In those days wealth was chanelled to a few and not back to the persons as slaves. Today wealth derived from all their toil and from their lives you, their sons and daughters have benefitted as well as us around you.
From their subjugadation they were free by the spilling of much of their . Being free they were subject to freedoms, such as education and the right to earn a living.
With all that was behind them, they moved on. Today like you, do not live in slave barracks, but in homes, and do not give or allow themselves to be exploited unfairly.
From the imbalanced social structures of the era of slavery and through the making of a society through the era of the Martin Luther King`s civil rights movement and the stances of the Huey`s and Angela Davis` Black Panthers the west has benefitted.
You are no doubt better off than your foreparents ever were.
And you benefitted not only by what you have done for yourself in your lifetime, but by the social structure laid as time went by first started by that slave on the plantation.
Yes serenity bawl as much as you want, we all have benefitted as much as you dont like.
Emotions may cloud the facts but in reality we today have all been given opportunity by the works of slaves and those who have survived and made this world that you draw your salaries a place of liberty and a place to make do what one chooses.
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That was a good post and I agree. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]
Yeah and it's not that I don't accept our history it's the fact that Black people have defined themselves based on white and slavery. Do you notice the major heroes you mentioned except for were mostly about anti-racism and slavery. It's pathetic. While whites have classical music, history that has nothing to do with race, some blacks choose to embrace this thing where our existence, ure, and how we define ourselves has to do with white peoples feelings for blacks and .
I have never defined myself that way. When I think black I don't think pain, white peoples , white peoples discrimination, I think of our rich ure, the music, food, uniqueness in terms of color, features and hair texture and so on. I as an refuse to define myself based on a group of people who more than not black people. Frankly, it's futile. Give me some beautiful black art, no postcards of lynchings telling me that's my history because it's not. Tell me stories of Etta James and Billie Holiday, being a black person and black woman is more than about white people. It looks so pathetic how black people are so dependent and vulnerable to whites.
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