Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

[loops]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for those keeping score.... </div></div>

or going wid di tidal changes...but we digress from the topic at hand... </div></div>

at least you said WE this time. very balanced. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So Milo Man, you make some good points as well. Here is a for instance...

I have seen where a married couple goes to Jamaica on a vacation. The woman is beautiful, the man is handsome, they look like someone from a billboard. Both of them are successful.

Suddenly some smooth talking renta pon the beach is whispering sweet nothings into the womans ear. Maybe hubby has been forgetting that part or something because it becomes a melody in the womans ear and all common sense goes out he window. They go back to their lives but the woman can't get the melody of that accent telling her how she is the woman of his dreams. The next thing you know she is taking a vacation either alone or with a girlfriend because she must see this man again. Before you know it, she comes home and throws common sense out the window & gets a divorce and throws caution to the wind and gets seriously involved with her "rasta man". If this isn't a recipe for disaster nothing is, but sadly, it does happen.

Obviously there are deep seated underlying insecurities or some other something goin on for this to even happen but I am no shrink so I won't go there. This does happen a lot more than one would think and it isn't one sided either, for I have also heard of men (husbands, fathers, so called family men) doing it.

Anyway, I guess what I am tryin to say here..is when you see these mixed couples we can never really know the story unless we are told from the horses mouth. And then even if that happens, take it all with a grain of salt.

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is the mix rasta and non-rasta? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps the most famous female "sex tourist" is the American writer Terri Macmillan. I always loved her writing. But I could not connect with her book How Stella Got Her Groove Back. For me, she missed something that would have been blindingly obvious to anyone who knew and understood Jamaica.

And this is that the only reason a Jamaican man would have an affair with an American 23 years his senior would be to obtain a green card. Her failure to understand this simple fact ruined the whole book for me.

She went on to marry the young Jamaican lover she immortalised in her book (Jonathan Plummer) and brought him to America. Ten years later the marriage collapsed when she discovered he was gay. In her divorce papers Macmillan said: Jonathan has manipulated me from the very beginning in his scheme to come to the United States, become a citizen and get rich." The baffling thing is that it took her 10 years to work this out.

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mi a tell you seveen...

way too much over-analyzing going on in here...

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for those keeping score.... </div></div>

or going wid di tidal changes...but we digress from the topic at hand... </div></div>

at least you said WE this time. very balanced. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>

there r times i dont mind being grouped with u Loops...not that standoffish u know

[Seveen]

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Historically and contemporarily, the status of prostitutes approximate the status of all woman in society. Sex workers have been maligned, not because their work is unimportant, but because such work has been described in Christian theology as "contemptible."

Mills posits that the prostitute was debased not simply because she embodies the duality of loving woman and whore, but because she forces the society to accept the fact that sex work is driven by a fierce demand.

Perhaps it is this recognition that prompted St. Augustine to comment:

"Rid society of prostitutes and licentiousness will run riot throughout ... prostitutes in a city are like a sewer in a palace. If you get rid of the sewer the whole palace becomes filthy and foul."

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[jah_yout]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ohliz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess the question going through my mind is whether or not this isn't simply the lifestyle choice that some have chosen? After all, there are a lot of people facing similar challenges who would never think of engaging in the exchange of cash or kind for sex. </div></div>

I think for many it is the best of few options. Of course some would rather go without whatever than engage in prostitution. Some see prostitution as a viable option for making a decent living.

Here in the US we see women work their way through college as prostitutes - the Heidi Fleiss-type escort comes to mind - or some choose to strip/exotic dance because they can earn a lot of $$ in very few hours and still do school or save to start a business or whatever.

Depends on the person but I still say very, very few people with money decide on it. </div></div>

yu seet...

this is not brain surgery...
men are looking for sex wherever they go...& now some women also have that power [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif[/img]i've been to vegas & it is just as bad with the sex tourism...
so dem a renta wha?
renta bimbos? renta young gyal?

if anyone needs a 50-page thread to figure this out then they need to get out more

chuh!

[Seveen]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps the most famous female "sex tourist" is the American writer Terri Macmillan. I always loved her writing. But I could not connect with her book How Stella Got Her Groove Back. For me, she missed something that would have been blindingly obvious to anyone who knew and understood Jamaica.

And this is that the only reason a Jamaican man would have an affair with an American 23 years his senior would be to obtain a green card. Her failure to understand this simple fact ruined the whole book for me.

She went on to marry the young Jamaican lover she immortalised in her book (Jonathan Plummer) and brought him to America. Ten years later the marriage collapsed when she discovered he was gay. In her divorce papers Macmillan said: Jonathan has manipulated me from the very beginning in his scheme to come to the United States, become a citizen and get rich." The baffling thing is that it took her 10 years to work this out.

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mi a tell you seveen...

way too much over-analyzing going on in here...

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gotta do something to make it through the day
it's toooooooooooooooo HOT to go outside [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Historically and contemporarily, the status of prostitutes approximate the status of all woman in society. Sex workers have been maligned, not because their work is unimportant, but because such work has been described in Christian theology as "contemptible."

Mills posits that the prostitute was debased not simply because she embodies the duality of loving woman and whore, but because she forces the society to accept the fact that sex work is driven by a fierce demand.

Perhaps it is this recognition that prompted St. Augustine to comment:

"Rid society of prostitutes and licentiousness will run riot throughout ... prostitutes in a city are like a sewer in a palace. If you get rid of the sewer the whole palace becomes filthy and foul."

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the beauty about 'touchy' topics, is that u can always find an expert opinion to bolster either point of view

the real issue, is wen u cut through the sound bites and examine the reality of the people involved....not the fodder they r for studies, use etc, but their quality of being to themselves

[ohliz]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mills posits that the prostitute was debased not simply because she embodies the duality of loving woman and whore, but because she forces the society to accept the fact that sex work is driven by a fierce demand. </div></div>

Uh huh, yup.

As fas as class (from the same article in the Gleaner):

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Beverly Mullings, in a discussion on Globalisation, Tourism and the International Sex Trade, demonstrated that sex tourism in Asia relies on the inequalities between First World and Third World countries, between capital and labour, men and women, and production and reproduction. These same inequalities are features of the Caribbean region in general and Jamaica in particular, therefore planned or unplanned, prostitution is a feature of the tourism industry.

In the crass market place, there is a monetary price on everything and the tourist dollar has the power to purchase most things.

Women's bodies, historically and contemporarily, have been commodified and a price is placed on this commodity. More recently, we have seen the concept of commodity extending to men's bodies, and though less obvious, numbers of young men and boys are also selling their bodies to any and all bidders (male as well as female).

Like other workers, prostitutes and/or sex workers enter the open market to make money to feed themselves and their families and also to conspicuously consume the spoils of a globalised industrial complex. In other words, prostitutes/ sex workers work to the same ends as non-prostitutes.

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Yes, the work of prostitute/sex workers is considered unworthy. But "immorality" is reserved for the women who sell sex on street corners in brothels or in whore-houses. Less exposed and judged are those who work as call girls from their flats and homes. And we certainly do not define the sex work that many wives and partners carry out for monetary gains, fabulous gifts, houses and expensive SUVs as activities along a continuum of prostitution.</div></div>

[Seveen]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the real issue, is wen u cut through the sound bites and examine the reality of the people involved....not the fodder they r for studies, use etc, but their quality of being to themselves </div></div>

and the quality of being themselves and respected for whatever work they do

[evanovitch]

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and it is respect that makes them a target?...i respect Jamaicans sooo much i go wid di hope one becomes what i have read about?....i know not all Jamaicans r like that, so i keep my focus on those i have read about who r willing to do this!...because we know that history , our own experiences have taught us that this sort of thing is high on the list of things that inspire respect and i do want to show my profound respect for those i choose...

[tsophra]

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i shoulda put a big ole dutty disclaimer in earlier stating admittedly its biased... however I tend see men as the exploiters wedda dem selling or buying

guess i'm just sexist.. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i shoulda put a big ole dutty disclaimer in earlier stating admittedly its biased... however I tend see men as the exploiters wedda dem selling or buying

guess i'm just sexist.. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] </div></div>

u know Jaded, at the end of the day, the discussion is really about there being exploitation infact...who initiating it does not belie the fact that , in any form or shape, the action of exploitation is immoral and wrong and should not happen....

if in 2007, we cannot agree on that point, the new 'me' generation, our kids,r going to be even more 'me' and more exploitive than our generation , which was once thought to be the 'me' generation

[Nanook]

Re: Mzungu Sex Tourism Patterns (Inspired by blugiant)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So Milo Man, you make some good points as well. Here is a for instance...

I have seen where a married couple goes to Jamaica on a vacation. The woman is beautiful, the man is handsome, they look like someone from a billboard. Both of them are successful.

Suddenly some smooth talking renta pon the beach is whispering sweet nothings into the womans ear. Maybe hubby has been forgetting that part or something because it becomes a melody in the womans ear and all common sense goes out he window. They go back to their lives but the woman can't get the melody of that accent telling her how she is the woman of his dreams. The next thing you know she is taking a vacation either alone or with a girlfriend because she must see this man again. Before you know it, she comes home and throws common sense out the window & gets a divorce and throws caution to the wind and gets seriously involved with her "rasta man". If this isn't a recipe for disaster nothing is, but sadly, it does happen.

Obviously there are deep seated underlying insecurities or some other something goin on for this to even happen but I am no shrink so I won't go there. This does happen a lot more than one would think and it isn't one sided either, for I have also heard of men (husbands, fathers, so called family men) doing it.

Anyway, I guess what I am tryin to say here..is when you see these mixed couples we can never really know the story unless we are told from the horses mouth. And then even if that happens, take it all with a grain of salt.

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is the mix rasta and non-rasta? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif[/img] </div></div>

Hey jah yout..I guess I was not very clear when I loosely used the term "rasta"..Of course they are not Rasta. But that is what the women will say when fondly referring to this new love they have found because that is what they hear from those rentas on the beach and since these women do not know any better, they actually think they are dating a "real rasta man" (cause he has dreads& tells them they are rasta). I hope you didn't think I was saying they were Rasta.

[Diplomat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ohliz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... And we certainly do not define the sex work that many wives and partners carry out for monetary gains, fabulous gifts, houses and expensive SUVs as activities along a continuum of prostitution.[/b]</div></div></div></div>
The exact point made by one of the ladies during a research project. Outside of those young girls and women forced into prostitution by pimps, the rest of this sex biz is just about as clear as mud.