RIP Hon Dudley Thompson

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well Philips was a CIA asset... So must have been him then the only identified CIA asset in Jamaica. He never denied i</div></div>
...and there is adequate proof that he was willing, diligently working with them.

As I said I was going to get to this ...after that the other fires were put down.....you timely intervention has preempted I.<span style="font-style: italic">(not for the first nor the last time I hope)</span>.

Comrades and their lackeys scream blood murder at the so-called CIA activities in the Jamaica. They are always willing to engage in hand to hand combat as they rehash, their twisted, jacked-up narrative of the 70s, while at the same time shouting down any opposition and playing the victims (<span style="font-style: italic">somewhere in the middle of the imagined battle)</span>.
It turns out the more they are allowed to chat the deeper they entwine the Comrade Party into the arms of the CIA. Following the logic of their arguments you can draw only one conclusion:

<span style="font-weight: bold">CIA</span> in Jamaica = PNP (<span style="font-weight: bold">or some elements of the Leadership</span>)

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Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing that Dudley did that I can honestly say that I thought was good for Jamaica during his time as a minister was the removal of the stigma of Bastards.. That was done on his initiation...... </div></div>

...and even this the statue was not properly executed it lead to a Judge in 2005 calling the Bastard Act a two headed horse on which he has to ride.
The Comrades of the 70s whole shtick was about optics. What was good enough to sell to poor peple so the perpetuate they enjoyment of the perks of power.
The poor who went with them ....might enjoy a few crumbs. Their perceived enemies got bullets and <span style="font-weight: bold">special petroleum gelly for a fire to roast themselves in</span>.

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The average CIA agent more likely than not looks like the typical American, and the average CIA assest looks tends to look like the average local to the area where the operation is being conducted. Of course if needs be they may contract out work to individuals who are neither local or American.</div></div>

Ok thanks ....So from here on out I overstand you approach the original, yet to answered questions with the same degree of brevity....Am I correct? </div></div>

After 21 pages, you are slow, this is becoming tedious, going over the same thing over and over.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So they were using the PNP thugs in the acts named in this thread ...you have admitted and now enforcing?
And the proof is?
The JLP thugs were they used in any violence?
What acts do you know?
When, where, how?
</div></div>

Here we go again.
Wether it was PNP or JLP or whatever I do not know.
What I know I have stated umpteen times already.
Eventide Has been tied to CIA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes and all of Jamaica Media then and now.
There has never been a time not once in any local reports that Eventide Fire was attributed to anyone but PNP thugs. As I told you before the main issue that the Comrades had with the Eventide Fire was that it reported in the media as a deliberate act done to burn out Labourites.</div></div>

The CIA work in secret and behind the scene its called COVERT - plausible deniability.
The Local media was infiltrated by the CIA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Their contention was that it was an internecine struggle within PNP aligned Gangs that resulted in an accidental fire. The last time I heard this put forward again was on Perkins Online in 2007. I have a tape of it somewhere.</div></div>

Sure Accidental......Your gullibility is now exposed.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I lived within walking distance of Eventide. Its a long walk but one that we took many days, from where we live you could see the smoke and maybe if that night was still could heat the wails of the ole peple roasting in the fiyah.
Trying to distort, lie and trivialize the wanton killings of Jamaicans does not make you a bigger man</div></div>

Far from it I am trying to expose the hidden hand of outside intervention and manipulation by a foreign power on the will of the Jamaican people and the right to choose the future they will.....I do not see how that is trivializing the murder of these people.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No you have not.
In the pages of postings I cannot find any such proof of this violence that the CIA created, funded and directed.
As to the Eventide Fire......Still waiting for the questions on that to be answered?</div></div>

What makes my video and articles not proof and yours proof???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You do have a problem distinguishing ....opinion from fact.</div></div>

What exactley makes your postings of articles facts and not opinions???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is zero proof in this article other than another rehashing of Comrade 70s Meme.</div></div>

And yours is the continuation of CIA propaganda

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The irony (and I was going to get to this after we had the original matters settled), but you post here and Wahalla's put everything into focus and ties in nicely.</div></div>

I would think we have said plenty already, what with you repeating the same thing over and over.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One gets the impression that the CIA had very close connections with the PNP in the late 60s, 70s, 80s and maintained those connection throughout.
According to your argument they were available for:
</div></div>

I made no such representation, and if you got that from what I posted then you are not able to read and comprehend properly......too much propoganda has left you playing a script over and over in your mind and thats all you are able to see -That the enemy is your brother.




See them fighting for power
But they know not the hour
So they bribing with their guns, spare-parts and money,
Trying to belittle our
Integrity now.
They say what we know
Is just what they teach us
And we're so ignorant
'Cause every time they can reach us
Through political strategy
They keep us hungry
And when you gonna get some food
Your brother got to be your enemy

Don't let them mold your mind
They wanna control mankind
Seems like their only intention
Is to exploit the earth, yeah

And you trust in their deceit
Your mind causes your defeat
And so you become an invention
To distort this earth

Propaganda and lies
Is a plague in our lives
How much more victimized
Before we realize? Hey

Marley &amp; Marley

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Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[After 21 pages, you are slow, this is becoming tedious, going over the same thing over and over </div></div> Repetition is an important part of overstanding, especially when you fail to answer the questions and keep repeating he same circular arguments.
Fine if you get tired I am not worried!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we go again.
Wether it was PNP or JLP or whatever I do not know.
What I know I have stated umpteen times already.
Eventide Has been tied to CIA. </div></div>

How has Eventide been tied to the CIA?
I have at least four (4) reports on Eventide I can post....none, not one, zero mentions the CIA

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Local media was infiltrated by the CIA. </div></div>

Proof is?

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well Philips was a CIA asset... So must have been him then the only identified CIA asset in Jamaica. He never denied it....

So who else ??? these shadows of men....who are smarter than the rest...

The only thing that Dudley did that I can honestly say that I thought was good for Jamaica during his time as a minister was the removal of the stigma of Bastards.. That was done on his initiation...... </div></div>

Well if that be the case....then it proves my contention that CIA was in Jamaica then and now.
More powerful than us, and smarter than you

Here we have a former CIA agent now member of the house speaking on what happen to one CIA agent in Jamaica at the time.....truly a sad event.




He remembers clearly Philip Agee, the onetime CIA agent who vowed ``to expose CIA agents'' and drive them out of the countries where they were operating. He still remembers vividly the Covert Action Information Bulletin, which listed hundreds of names, including that of Richard Kinsman. Kinsman, who worked in Jamaica, would be killed in 1980 when his home was attacked with a submachine gun and an explosive device.
http://articles.courant.com/2003-10-02/n...eph-c-wilson-iv


Here one about a CIA assest





Today, Miller is the target of one of the U.S. Justice Department's most intensive and frustrating extradition efforts--a two-year court battle in this tiny Caribbean island nation that is made all the more confounding for U.S. law enforcement officials because, they acknowledge, Miller was once one of theirs.

Working for what he called &quot;the underworld section&quot; of Jamaica's Labor Party in Kingston, he stated, he stuffed ballot boxes, intimidated voters, shot and wounded a clerk during a robbery and spent years in prison.

He also testified, according to court records and documents, that he escaped the Jamaican prison using political connections in 1983 and came to the United States, where he became a trusted member of a brutal Jamaican drug gang known as the Shower Posse. The gang's trademark was spraying victims--from California to Miami to New York--with machine-gun fire, often killing and maiming bystanders.

As Connor, he told the jury, he smuggled marijuana and cocaine, attended gangland executions and laundered drug money.

Miller insists that he has been targeted in a political plot after working for the U.S. government for years

Details about Miller's years in that program are, by law, secret. But official documents and court transcripts in New York, Florida, Jamaica and St. Kitts offer rich detail of how he--whether as Miller or as Connor--apparently played on both sides of the law to become what U.S. law-enforcement agencies now consider one of the Caribbean's wiliest wanted men.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997/dec/07/news/mn-61615

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Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sure Accidental......Your gullibility is now exposed. </div></div>

On the contrary no. I never said I believed it. I said a man who Ided himself as PNP attempted to explain the Eventide Fire. When he could have went with your narrative about the CIA and received many forwards from gullible Jamaicans <span style="font-style: italic">(such as yourself)</span>.
It is indicative of the weak CIA did this narrative, that the very combatants, who you and others are giving an out are not even taking that route, but seek safety in the argument that it was an accidental fire.

<span style="font-size: 14pt">No wonder I have to repeat, since I had explained before that the fire was deliberate and the Comrades Gangsters prefer to say it was an accident. Go forward and read some of the 21 Pages that you cause to be written and are not so weary of having won the battle on page 5.</span>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What makes my video and articles not proof and yours proof???
</div></div>You tell I.
Yours shows <span style="font-weight: bold">zero</span> documentary evidence.
Mine are from:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*] the mouths of the victims, reporters, persons of interest and contemporary documents.[*] they have been in the public arena for decades and have never been refuted.[*] Massive efforts have been made to silence them but never the ability to refute.[/list]

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Far from it I am trying to expose the hidden hand of outside intervention and manipulation by a foreign power..... </div></div>
You are doing a <span style="font-weight: bold">poor job</span>.....winner!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What exactley makes your postings of articles facts and not opinions??? </div></div>

This is not a question of facts vs opinion.
An Opinion is nothing without a factual basis but facts stand on its own.
Nevertheless an opinion however it is derived, give us an insight in to the mind of the speaker and its promoter.

In your case you are promoting baseless, scurrilous opinions.
In my case I am posting both the facts and opinions drawn from those facts.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And yours is the continuation of CIA propaganda </div></div>

So now you are accusing I of working for the CIA?
I guess the CIA-Card is the Jamaican equivalent the Godwin's Law

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One gets the impression that the CIA had very close connections with the PNP in the late 60s, 70s, 80s and maintained those connection throughout.
According to your argument they were available for:
</div></div>

I made no such representation </div></div>

Most assuredly you do.....since the only incidents that are are here in the 21 pages are the ones in which PNP thugs have been IDed at the scene.
You have even admitted to it, following the equation I extrapolated from our conversations......why are you going forward on it now?
As to I being the only one......are you freaking serious?

Can't <span style="font-weight: bold">you</span> remember that <span style="font-weight: bold">others</span> have quizzed you on this very item?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we have a former CIA agent now member of the house</div></div>...wait so here you are prepared to say the CIA infiltrated the PNP but above in reply to my statements, based on your assertions ......You saying I was the only one making the connection and I need to learn Comprehension?

LOL ......You can't make this ish up!

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[After 21 pages, you are slow, this is becoming tedious, going over the same thing over and over </div></div> Repetition is an important part of overstanding, especially when you fail to answer the questions and keep repeating he same circular arguments.
Fine if you get tired I am not worried! </div></div>

It is also a sign of denial.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Proof is?</div></div>

What the use, you will not accept it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


On the contrary no. I never said I believed it. I said a man who Ided himself as PNP attempted to explain the Eventide Fire. When he could have went with your narrative about the CIA and received many forwards from gullible Jamaicans (such as yourself). </div></div>

You posted it, so you are promoting it.
Why would you post something you do not believe is true?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is indicative of the weak CIA did this narrative, that the very combatants, who you and others are giving an out are not even taking that route, but seek safety in the argument that it was an accidental fire.</div></div>

More rumor peddling.....or mudding the water

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No wonder I have to repeat, since I had explained before that the fire was deliberate and the Comrades Gangsters prefer to say it was an accident. Go forward and read some of the 21 Pages that you cause to be written and are not so weary of having won the battle on page 5.</div></div>

Please get it straight that was not a repeat but an introduction.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You tell I.
Yours shows zero documentary evidence.
Mine are from:
• the mouths of the victims, reporters, persons of interest and contemporary documents.</div></div>

How are those not opinions??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">• they have been in the public arena for decades and have never been refuted.</div></div>

Proves nothing......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">• Massive efforts have been made to silence them but never the ability to refute</div></div>
They have been refuted just stubborn people high on CIA propaganda still cling to them.


Mine are from the perpetrators of similiar acts of violence, in one case so stated in a court of law under oath.
Statements corroborated to by law enforcement officials as true in a court of law under oath.
Also statements from the former colleagues of the employers of the perpetrators.
They demonstarted a history of such acts all over the globe.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are doing a poor job.....winner!</div></div>

Yu can carry a donkey guh a wata but yuh caan mek him drink......all I do is provide the facts as I know them - thanks

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is not a question of facts vs opinion.
An Opinion is nothing without a factual basis but facts stand on its own.
Nevertheless an opinion however it is derived, give us an insight in to the mind of the speaker and its promoter.

In your case you are promoting baseless, scurrilous opinions.
In my case I am posting both the facts and opinions drawn from those facts</div></div>

All you have posted so far is Opinions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So now you are accusing I of working for the CIA?
I guess the CIA-Card is the Jamaican equivalent the Godwin's Law</div></div>

Whether you know it or not, since you are propogating there propaganda - you are doing there work.
Hey the Nazi really cooked the jews and the CIA are and where in Jamaica.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most assuredly you do.....since the only incidents that are are here in the 21 pages are the ones in which PNP thugs have been IDed at the scene.
You have even admitted to it, following the equation I extrapolated from our conversations......why are you going forward on it now?
As to I being the only one......are you freaking serious?

Can't you remember that others have quizzed you on this very item?</div></div>

Still twisting and turning my words to fit your script......All I known is that the CIA was involve, whether it be PNP or JLP or other is inconsquential to me as all I have of that is the opinions of others you provided.....IF that be truth then the PNP worked for or with he CIA.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...wait so here you are prepared to say the CIA infiltrated the PNP but above in reply to my statements, based on your assertions ......You saying I was the only one making the connection and I need to learn Comprehension?</div></div>

Now for sure you gone off the deep end, making up ish to fit your script.....Where did I say the CIA infiltrated the PNP?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL ......You can't make this ish up!</div></div>

But you doing it anyway