dem bruk Bolt house

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
don't gain the world and lose your soul

wisdom is better than silver and gold </div></div> Lose your soul?? or sole?/
You kniow I have heard a lot of vwry good christians saying what they would do but they always follow ot with the donation plea.
i wonder why? they may lose their soul too..

look man any person that cannot earn enpugh to feed himself without stealing really don't have any soul to lose. You cant lose what you don't have.
Wisdom that does not allow a person to be able to afford to liv ehionestlyisjust knowledge. </div></div>

[jah_yout]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="font-size: 14pt"> money ain't everything;</span>
the mind first creates a vision and then goes about trying to bring it to reality...no doubt the past has an effect on the present but the present can be changed to affect the future...presently we are not doing what it takes to turn things around; what is the past if we can't learn from it?
if we can't use slavery, colonialism &amp; racism as our compass to guide us to improve, have we made any progress as a people?
which is why my ire is still mostly aimed at the mis-leaders since 'independence' </div></div> Oh No you didn;t say that!!! miney isn't everythinh.so tell me what you can di without it??
I am waiting for your answer. </div></div>

don't gain the world and lose your soul

wisdom is better than silver and gold </div></div> Lose your soul?? or sole?/
You kniow I have heard a lot of vwry good christians saying what they would do but they always follow ot with thedonation plea.
i wonder why? they may lose their soul too..

look man any person that cannot earn enpugh to feed himself without stealing really don't have any soul to lose. You cant lose what you don't have.

well i would rather eat what i can afford and be a mawga man than likk dung an old lady or shoot her so i can take her money so i can eat good for a few days= gaining the world &amp; losing your soul;
and with all this talk about poverty &amp; starvation, it is not the really poor who are committing most of the atrocious acts, it is the really gravilicious &amp; wanga gut ones...perhaps they need a new rims for their car- anything goes, as we can always bawl 'poverty'

kisteet

[Panajar]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Panajar][quote=jah_yout]

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What do you expect when most of the former leader did not look
like the people they are leading. <span style="font-weight: bold">we even had a Lebanese American leading us.</span> </div></div>It never matter what they look like. Hugh shearer was a black man. At least inthose days he was black, before he pulled the michael jackson and get white.
He treated black Jamaican sso bad that they chose a socialist government in a landslide in 72. So it is not what they look like it is all about who they represent. And so far we have not had representatives of the people for much of the time before and since independenmce. </div></div>


Images have a physiological effect on humans .Why do you think that the Europeans deliberately paint Jesus as a blond hair blue eye white man???? </div></div>

well seaga and jesus two different summn;
and it can't all be blamed on seaga because pj was black, no? was it REALL black man time? and what does 'black man time' mean if the majority of blacks are never taught their true history?
most of these guys are puppets

Some people a jamaica especially west kig. think ciaga a GAD

[Morpheous]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see your point but at the end of the day all he is probably concerned about is his safety and that of his family members. What he may or may not owe to anyone else is a didtant second n importance.

Not saying that life will be better for him elsewhere but sometimes when someone violates you and your home it really messes you up and getting the hell out of Dodge can not be discounted as a sound rational response. </div></div>
I wouldn't be surprise if his family and him move to america. I still think its a shame. Jamaica needs all the positive image and press it can get abroad and at the moment Bolt is literally it.

Doc said robber in Jamaica have no qualms about who they rob celebrity or not. One time they did have qualms who they robbed and where they robbed and to a certain extent that is still true today in Jamaica. Donald Quarry if my history is correct was also an icon that dons, criminals and everyone was proud of and respected. He got royal treatment and I didn't read anywhere where he got robbed (I stand corrected if he did get robbed).

If people on these boards can use foul mouth language to each other, get personal and nasty, cuss and fight literally everyday - and we suppose to be the ones with intellect from the diaspora then that is a window into Jamaica and its problems. If those with opportunities on here can be so barbaric to each other over the simplest of little statements or disagreements says volume about what we need to do to change mentalities and attitudes home and abroad.

[j-kid]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your house broken into is a petty crime ...... </div></div>

Hav you ever had your house broken into? There is nothing petty about it.

[Panajar]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your house broken into is a petty crime ...... </div></div>

Hav you ever had your house broken into? There is nothing petty about it. </div></div>

i have been robbed twice at gun point on the island.
how about that? it was presumed that mi family have money
since dem dey a farin. so yes me call that petty compare to a
man have gun ayu head an tell yu fe lie down in u own house.

[Marilyn]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

I haven't read every post in this thread, I find the fact that anyone's home, celebrity or not is broken in to, and their things that they earned honestly taken to be reprehensible, in Jamaica, Canada, US or anywhere. I remember when Soul Hunter's mother's home in Ochii was stripped of everything including the toilet.

Once someone breaks into your home you are VIOLATED, and nothing is the same again EVER. Your home has been descrated by unknown persons, they have touched yourh things, personal items. Your home is your castle until it is the dungeon.

Mr. Bolt, and all people who have suffered this should be understood in their indignation.

It really has nothing to do with &quot;Jamaica&quot;, though as a countryman you would want, need, expect better behavior. I wish Memphians behaved better. I wish that people here would not break into homes, rape, kill, molest children.

The big picture is this...there are those who live within the law in this world, those who break it, those who walk the chalk line and those who blur the line. There are decent people and indecent people, and all of those in between.

Be kind to one another on here, and realize that God blessed you to be some of the decent people in this world.


((((((((((((((((((Ja.Com))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Sinco01]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah but at least a CA there is law and order. dog nyam yuh supper literally a yard

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am very sure <span style="font-weight: bold">Canada, USA, or some other country would love to hav him, an treat him like royalty</span>, if we Jamaicans don't know how to appreciate him.

That is a big disgrace, for us as Jamaicans, for people around the world to hear of that disturbing account. Do we really realize the amount of good publicity that he has brought to our island, since his global fame?

Di Dons dem should mek dis ah special project, find out ah who. Afterall, dis can only bring unneeded attention pan dem an dem people? </div></div>

yun know is funny yuh sey that because up here dem always bawling about how <span style="font-weight: bold">Canada treat their &quot;treasures&quot; and how soem other countries woudl be glad to have dem and would treat dem like royalty</span> </div></div> </div></div>


Ben Johnson .. or
Donovan Bailey ..

[Dyoll_73]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it take an independent govrmment to stand uop tp businesses. this is impossible due to the way elections and politics are funded.</div></div>

Since elections are not publicly financed, and the relevant ethics laws are either ignored or not enforced, political parties have to seek their funding from businesses and wealthy individuals. Membership dues alone won't cut it. Individuals and businesses don't usually give to a party simply because they genuinely feel that party's policies are in the best interest of Jamaica and do not expect anything in return. No, businesses, especially, give to the party, and sometimes to both - depending on the issue, and if both parties share a common view on a particular issue - on condition that policies are implemented in a way that favours their interests. This is to be expected. The problem is that the undue influence of money on public policy may serve to undermine the democratic process.

It should be said, at the same time, that the interests of businesses and those of the nation, can sometimes be entirely compatible, so we have to appreciate some nuance here.

Publicly-financed elections is the way to go, with appropriate legislation governing the way political campaigns are conducted. It's difficult to imagine in the current environment how this goal will be realized since the two political parties have been drinking at the same trough. The House of Representatives is almost equally divided. Both want the money from their respective donors in the business community. The JLP may be getting a little more right now, and the PNP wants to be more aggressive (it's part of the reason some pushed for Bunting to get the General Secy position).

I'm sure there are those on both sides of the political divide who favour publicly-financed elections in principle, but the urge to win may be dominant. Neither side wants to be outspent by the other.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did more than my share while living in jamaica with the number if small businesses I financed interst free,with my own money. </div></div>

You did not answer my questions.
You tried to use as an Example Bolt's parents and how they remained in Jamaica and you said he should stay home and fight his little battles.
My question is why are you not home in Jamaica fighting your little battles?
Why are you a citizen of the USA?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

LOL I mean this is the biggest crock of crap I have ever seen.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your house broken into is a petty crime which happens world wide. ...This poverty is a direct result of<span style="font-weight: bold"> slavery</span> , <span style="font-weight: bold">colonialism</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold">racism</span>. ..... </div></div>

So getting a house broken into is routine it happens all the time all over the world, but it is not a PNP or JLP thing just a Colonialism and Slavery thing <span style="font-style: italic">(Well no one said prior to you saying it that is was PNP vs. JLP thing...but we will press on.)</span>.

May I remind you that Crime in Jamaica was relatively low until the mid 1970s?
May I remind you that the PNP who spent over 25 years after Independence Governing Jamaica never fails to tell Jamaicans that under their regime more man have cyar, more man can afford dem owna house, more Jamaicans can goh University and by every metric the lives of Jamaicans have improved.

I say that to say this, it is clear by their standards the lives of Jamaican have improved Post-Colonial, so it would negate your ridiculous arguments that is was Colonialism, and Slavery that led to the breaking of Bolt's house.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is really the gist of my argument...it goes:
if we don't honor &amp; respect our people who are doing good for the country, who will we respect?;
this kind of mentality will certainly mash up the county and mi nah stop seh dat no matter how many times that moron calls me an idiot
</div></div>
Well no one advanced the argument that Bolt's House should be broken into just like any other Jamaicans so it was dishonest to claim that I was responsible for stuff like that happening.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div>



HERE A OUTSTANDING ARTICLE WHICH ADDRESS THE SUBJECT PERFECTLY. IT IS WRITTEN BY<span style="font-weight: bold"> DR WENDEL ABEL.</span>

Maybe this will have you reconsidering your position.


Shackled to the past trapped in the present
published: Wednesday | March 31, 2004


Wendel Abel - I AM WHAT I THINK

THE ENSLAVEMENT of our people for almost four centuries destroyed our ethnic, national and social identities. Many of the problems we face such as underachieving males, interpersonal violence, fragmented social systems, dysfunctional family patterns and a preponderance of single female-headed households are part of the psychosocial legacy of slavery and are experienced by many post-slavery societies.

COLOUR AND CLASS

Out of slavery evolved a class system which was determined by colour. Blacks were denied their humanity and deemed inferior to all others. Consider the aphorism, 'if you are white you are right, when you are brown stay around and when you are black stay back'. Are we then surprised that in 2004 the browning is still glorified, that many still aspire to marry someone of a 'browner' hue, that our people continue to bleach their skins and that the brown or white person is still preferentially treated in many quarters? That in many families the darkest person is abused emotionally and physically and anything black is degraded.

FAMILY

The plantation system was designed to generate wealth for one class. A stable family life was never encouraged, men were separated from their women and children from their mothers. The dominant family patterns characterised by visiting relationships, a preponderance of single-headed households and absent fathers have evolved out of slavery.

DENIGRATION OF THE HUMAN BEING

The West Indian negro slaves were devalued. Lowell Ragatz in 1928 wrote, 'he had all the characteristics of his race. He stole, he lied, he was simple, suspicious, inefficient, irresponsible, lazy, superstitious, and loose in his sexual relations.' Such was the perception of slaves and their descendants. These are concepts many still have of blacks, especially poor black persons. Many of these traits,described as negatives, were some of the strategies used to survive slavery. These strategies were considered adaptive but have become maladaptive in modern society.

VIOLENCE

Slavery was characterised by hard labour, brutal punishment and constant separation from loved ones. Here are some examples from the literature of how humans were punished: 'flogged him, had him rubbed in salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper'; 'gagged him, locked his hands together, rubbed him in molasses and exposed him naked to the flies all day, and to the mosquitoes all night'; and 'a slave caught eating cane was whipped and another slave told to defecate in his mouth'.

Punishment by the master was harsh and brutal and the life of the black slave was worth nothing. Such was the level of dehumanisation, indignity and enforced powerlessness. It has generated resentment for authority and a devaluation of human life. Are we surprised at the high levels of interpersonal violence and the lack of respect for human life in Jamaica?

SEX AND POWER

Power and sex were integrally linked in the plantation system. White men and higher-ranked men exploited the black woman. Historian, Barbara Bush noted that 'the sexual exploitation of slave women by white men represented a natural extension of the general power of white over black'. In one historical review a white overseer had sexual encounters with 87 different women in one year.

The greater the sexual exploits of the black male slave and the more children he had, the more valued he was. Black women also manipulated relationships with white males as they saw themselves as being able to achieve social mobility by sleeping with white men and having 'brown children' who could achieve social mobility by virtue of their colour.

MALE RESPONSIBILITY

The black male was encouraged to sire as many children on the plantation. The fact that men would have their women and children separated from them discouraged the development of strong emotional bonds in families and fostered 'the irresponsible black male'.

As we grapple with the scars left by slavery, we equally need to devise strategies to overcome them. This society must go through a period of deconstruction and break from the psychological chains that shackle us to our past. This deconstruction is necessary as we reconstruct ourselves into a caring, just and less violent society.

Dr. Wendel Abel is a Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer, University of the West Indies. </div></div>

LOL an article written by Dr. Wendel Dis-Able of the Intellectual Ghetto and a dependable lackey of the last Government who failed to noticed that Human Trafficking, Sex Crime and Murder rose by leaps and bounds under the PNP Regimes starting for 1972 when crime and violence was still relatively low.
How can we trust the opinion of these guys?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you have to do is to compare their status with those who's fore fathers were paid. </div></div>
Can you <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">name</span> those whose forefathers were paid?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't sdee it as a disgrace at all. His home was burglarized by burglers. That is what burglers do. What should we as Jamaicans be be ashamed of?
That we did not manage to get rid of every single burgler inbthe country like??
like who again?/
I doin't seemti remember wghich country was successful in eliminating every sungle burgler.
sorry it slip my mind. probably wasn't ther in the first place.
Can you remind me which country we should aspire to in regad to eliminating of burglers?? At leastthey don't put gun to his face yet. </div></div>

LOL refreshing thought I must save it. Yet just as I say something I am called all kinds of names but look what you are writing?
I see why you ran away and don't live in Jamaica to wait your turn to get gun pushed into your face.
I think we have every right to feel ashamed <span style="font-style: italic">(while not surprised)</span> of what is going on in Jamaica. We have every right to reject it and to demand more.