dem bruk Bolt house

[jah_yout]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yes doc, and jamaica will contiinue to go down the tubes...i guess it is what it is </div></div>go down the tubes if the appropriate changes are not made to alow good law abiding people tyo help to bring backlaw and order. Jamaica cannot afford topay the number of policeofficers thatwould be requyired to even dent the crime stats. No country can afford to,unless ther are deterrents. These is no deterrent at he moment,and the only effective deterrent is appropriatelt prepared citizenry. The police can't be everywhere. And eve if the police is present,they still can't sact until law is broken.. </div></div>

what about surveilance cameras
or divide the country in 2...the dons &amp; criminals &amp; their apologists can have one half

[RichD]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


or divide the country in 2...the dons &amp; criminals &amp; their apologists can have one half </div></div> if dem do that you moving back?

[jah_yout]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


or divide the country in 2...the dons &amp; criminals &amp; their apologists can have one half </div></div> if dem do that you moving back? </div></div>

i'm moving back before that

[Panajar]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div>



HERE A OUTSTANDING ARTICLE WHICH ADDRESS THE SUBJECT PERFECTLY. IT IS WRITTEN BY<span style="font-weight: bold"> DR WENDEL ABEL.</span>

Maybe this will have you reconsidering your position.


Shackled to the past trapped in the present
published: Wednesday | March 31, 2004


Wendel Abel - I AM WHAT I THINK

THE ENSLAVEMENT of our people for almost four centuries destroyed our ethnic, national and social identities. Many of the problems we face such as underachieving males, interpersonal violence, fragmented social systems, dysfunctional family patterns and a preponderance of single female-headed households are part of the psychosocial legacy of slavery and are experienced by many post-slavery societies.

COLOUR AND CLASS

Out of slavery evolved a class system which was determined by colour. Blacks were denied their humanity and deemed inferior to all others. Consider the aphorism, 'if you are white you are right, when you are brown stay around and when you are black stay back'. Are we then surprised that in 2004 the browning is still glorified, that many still aspire to marry someone of a 'browner' hue, that our people continue to bleach their skins and that the brown or white person is still preferentially treated in many quarters? That in many families the darkest person is abused emotionally and physically and anything black is degraded.

FAMILY

The plantation system was designed to generate wealth for one class. A stable family life was never encouraged, men were separated from their women and children from their mothers. The dominant family patterns characterised by visiting relationships, a preponderance of single-headed households and absent fathers have evolved out of slavery.

DENIGRATION OF THE HUMAN BEING

The West Indian negro slaves were devalued. Lowell Ragatz in 1928 wrote, 'he had all the characteristics of his race. He stole, he lied, he was simple, suspicious, inefficient, irresponsible, lazy, superstitious, and loose in his sexual relations.' Such was the perception of slaves and their descendants. These are concepts many still have of blacks, especially poor black persons. Many of these traits,described as negatives, were some of the strategies used to survive slavery. These strategies were considered adaptive but have become maladaptive in modern society.

VIOLENCE

Slavery was characterised by hard labour, brutal punishment and constant separation from loved ones. Here are some examples from the literature of how humans were punished: 'flogged him, had him rubbed in salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper'; 'gagged him, locked his hands together, rubbed him in molasses and exposed him naked to the flies all day, and to the mosquitoes all night'; and 'a slave caught eating cane was whipped and another slave told to defecate in his mouth'.

Punishment by the master was harsh and brutal and the life of the black slave was worth nothing. Such was the level of dehumanisation, indignity and enforced powerlessness. It has generated resentment for authority and a devaluation of human life. Are we surprised at the high levels of interpersonal violence and the lack of respect for human life in Jamaica?

SEX AND POWER

Power and sex were integrally linked in the plantation system. White men and higher-ranked men exploited the black woman. Historian, Barbara Bush noted that 'the sexual exploitation of slave women by white men represented a natural extension of the general power of white over black'. In one historical review a white overseer had sexual encounters with 87 different women in one year.

The greater the sexual exploits of the black male slave and the more children he had, the more valued he was. Black women also manipulated relationships with white males as they saw themselves as being able to achieve social mobility by sleeping with white men and having 'brown children' who could achieve social mobility by virtue of their colour.

MALE RESPONSIBILITY

The black male was encouraged to sire as many children on the plantation. The fact that men would have their women and children separated from them discouraged the development of strong emotional bonds in families and fostered 'the irresponsible black male'.

As we grapple with the scars left by slavery, we equally need to devise strategies to overcome them. This society must go through a period of deconstruction and break from the psychological chains that shackle us to our past. This deconstruction is necessary as we reconstruct ourselves into a caring, just and less violent society.

Dr. Wendel Abel is a Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer, University of the West Indies.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your house broken into is a petty crime which happens world wide. There have been a whole lot of black athlete in the USA that have been robbed .Even a football player was killed in his house in Florida .Yet people try to make it a pnp and jlp thing ,while ignoring the root cause, which is poverty.This poverty is a direct result of<span style="font-weight: bold"> slavery</span> , <span style="font-weight: bold">colonialism</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold">racism</span>. How else could you explain the same phenomenon happening in the black community in the USA and also in Jamaica which is 90% black. </div></div>

slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div> You forget or probably didn't know that inth e1020's majority of Jamaicans didn't have a job.
they use to do petty farming. those who work use to get about 10c or 1 shilling per day.

So Garvey could say what he want, but he could not get them that Mulah that was needed to give them their start.
If the slaves was paid, during,or after slavery, they would have had a start. the effect of slavery is still with us.
If your parents could not collect their earnings as happened to the majority of older Jamaicans It would have had a detrimental effect on your eventual outcome The same detrimental effect it has on the present population.
The inability if collecting an income affect savings.

savings can be passed on down generations through real estate training and bank balance. slavery and colonialism does have an effect on the present generations.

All you have to do is to compare their status with those who's fore fathers were paid.

[j-kid]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

I am very sure Canada, USA, or some other country would love to hav him, an treat him like royalty, if we Jamaicans don't know how to appreciate him.

That is a big disgrace, for us as Jamaicans, for people around the world to hear of that disturbing account. Do we really realize the amount of good publicity that he has brought to our island, since his global fame?

Di Dons dem should mek dis ah special project, find out ah who. Afterall, dis can only bring unneeded attention pan dem an dem people?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yes doc, and jamaica will contiinue to go down the tubes...i guess it is what it is </div></div>go down the tubes if the appropriate changes are not made to alow good law abiding people tyo help to bring backlaw and order. Jamaica cannot afford topay the number of policeofficers thatwould be requyired to even dent the crime stats. No country can afford to,unless ther are deterrents. These is no deterrent at he moment,and the only effective deterrent is appropriatelt prepared citizenry. The police can't be everywhere. And eve if the police is present,they still can't sact until law is broken.. </div></div>

what about surveilance cameras
or divide the country in 2...the dons &amp; criminals &amp; their apologists can have one half </div></div>So th eDons with their arms will just leave the unarmed half to live inpeace eh??
and they stay over their side and rob each other..
....Sound good. like paradise.

[RichD]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am very sure Canada, USA, or some other country would love to hav him, an treat him like royalty, if we Jamaicans don't know how to appreciate him.

That is a big disgrace, for us as Jamaicans, for people around the world to hear of that disturbing account. Do we really realize the amount of good publicity that he has brought to our island, since his global fame?

Di Dons dem should mek dis ah special project, find out ah who. Afterall, dis can only bring unneeded attention pan dem an dem people? </div></div>

yun know is funny yuh sey that because up here dem always bawling about how Canada treat their &quot;treasures&quot; and how soem other countries woudl be glad to have dem and would treat dem like royalty

[Panajar]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting your house broken into is a petty crime which happens world wide. There have been a whole lot of black athlete in the USA that have been robbed .Even a football player was killed in his house in Florida .Yet people try to make it a pnp and jlp thing ,while ignoring the root cause, which is poverty.This poverty is a direct result of<span style="font-weight: bold"> slavery</span> , <span style="font-weight: bold">colonialism</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold">racism</span>. How else could you explain the same phenomenon happening in the black community in the USA and also in Jamaica which is 90% black. </div></div>

slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div> You forget or probably didn't know that inth e1020's majority of Jamaicans didn't have a job.
they use to do petty farming. those who work use to get about 10c or 1 shilling per day.

So Garvey could say what he want, but he could not get them that Mulah that was needed to give them their start.
If the slaves was paid, during,or after slavery, they would have had a start. the effect of slavery is still with us.
If your parents could not collect their earnings as happened to the majority of older Jamaicans It would have had a detrimental effect on your eventual outcome The same detrimental effect it has on the present population.
The inability if collecting an income affect savings.

savings can be passed on down generations through real estate training and bank balance. slavery and colonialism does have an effect on the present generations.

All you have to do is to compare their status with those who's fore fathers were paid. </div></div>

you are right on point doc.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am very sure Canada, USA, or some other country would love to hav him, an treat him like royalty, if we Jamaicans don't know how to appreciate him.

That is a big disgrace, for us as Jamaicans, for people around the world to hear of that disturbing account. Do we really realize the amount of good publicity that he has brought to our island, since his global fame?

Di Dons dem should mek dis ah special project, find out ah who. Afterall, dis can only bring unneeded attention pan dem an dem people? </div></div>I don't sdee it as a disgrace at all. His home was burglarized by burglers. That is what burglers do. What should we as Jamaicans be be ashamed of?
That we did not manage to get rid of every single burgler inbthe country like??
like who again?/
I doin't seemti remember wghich country was successful in eliminating every sungle burgler.
sorry it slip my mind. probably wasn't ther in the first place.
Can you remind me which country we should aspire to in regad to eliminating of burglers?? At leastthey don't put gun to his face yet.

[jah_yout]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div>



HERE A OUTSTANDING ARTICLE WHICH ADDRESS THE SUBJECT PERFECTLY. IT IS WRITTEN BY<span style="font-weight: bold"> DR WENDEL ABEL.</span>

Maybe this will have you reconsidering your position.


Shackled to the past trapped in the present
published: Wednesday | March 31, 2004


Wendel Abel - I AM WHAT I THINK

THE ENSLAVEMENT of our people for almost four centuries destroyed our ethnic, national and social identities. Many of the problems we face such as underachieving males, interpersonal violence, fragmented social systems, dysfunctional family patterns and a preponderance of single female-headed households are part of the psychosocial legacy of slavery and are experienced by many post-slavery societies.

COLOUR AND CLASS

Out of slavery evolved a class system which was determined by colour. Blacks were denied their humanity and deemed inferior to all others. Consider the aphorism, 'if you are white you are right, when you are brown stay around and when you are black stay back'. Are we then surprised that in 2004 the browning is still glorified, that many still aspire to marry someone of a 'browner' hue, that our people continue to bleach their skins and that the brown or white person is still preferentially treated in many quarters? That in many families the darkest person is abused emotionally and physically and anything black is degraded.

FAMILY

The plantation system was designed to generate wealth for one class. A stable family life was never encouraged, men were separated from their women and children from their mothers. The dominant family patterns characterised by visiting relationships, a preponderance of single-headed households and absent fathers have evolved out of slavery.

DENIGRATION OF THE HUMAN BEING

The West Indian negro slaves were devalued. Lowell Ragatz in 1928 wrote, 'he had all the characteristics of his race. He stole, he lied, he was simple, suspicious, inefficient, irresponsible, lazy, superstitious, and loose in his sexual relations.' Such was the perception of slaves and their descendants. These are concepts many still have of blacks, especially poor black persons. Many of these traits,described as negatives, were some of the strategies used to survive slavery. These strategies were considered adaptive but have become maladaptive in modern society.

VIOLENCE

Slavery was characterised by hard labour, brutal punishment and constant separation from loved ones. Here are some examples from the literature of how humans were punished: 'flogged him, had him rubbed in salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper'; 'gagged him, locked his hands together, rubbed him in molasses and exposed him naked to the flies all day, and to the mosquitoes all night'; and 'a slave caught eating cane was whipped and another slave told to defecate in his mouth'.

Punishment by the master was harsh and brutal and the life of the black slave was worth nothing. Such was the level of dehumanisation, indignity and enforced powerlessness. It has generated resentment for authority and a devaluation of human life. Are we surprised at the high levels of interpersonal violence and the lack of respect for human life in Jamaica?

SEX AND POWER

Power and sex were integrally linked in the plantation system. White men and higher-ranked men exploited the black woman. Historian, Barbara Bush noted that 'the sexual exploitation of slave women by white men represented a natural extension of the general power of white over black'. In one historical review a white overseer had sexual encounters with 87 different women in one year.

The greater the sexual exploits of the black male slave and the more children he had, the more valued he was. Black women also manipulated relationships with white males as they saw themselves as being able to achieve social mobility by sleeping with white men and having 'brown children' who could achieve social mobility by virtue of their colour.

MALE RESPONSIBILITY

The black male was encouraged to sire as many children on the plantation. The fact that men would have their women and children separated from them discouraged the development of strong emotional bonds in families and fostered 'the irresponsible black male'.

As we grapple with the scars left by slavery, we equally need to devise strategies to overcome them. This society must go through a period of deconstruction and break from the psychological chains that shackle us to our past. This deconstruction is necessary as we reconstruct ourselves into a caring, just and less violent society.

Dr. Wendel Abel is a Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer, University of the West Indies. </div></div>

no i did not change my position;
i have studied slavery, colonialism &amp; racism...
my position is that the leaders have an obligation to instill a sense of national as well as ethnic pride in the people;
yes we were taught self-hate, but there has to be someone to teach the yutes coming up another way...instead these leaders have continued down the path of mental slavery rules---
with disastrous results

[jah_yout]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yes doc, and jamaica will contiinue to go down the tubes...i guess it is what it is </div></div>go down the tubes if the appropriate changes are not made to alow good law abiding people tyo help to bring backlaw and order. Jamaica cannot afford topay the number of policeofficers thatwould be requyired to even dent the crime stats. No country can afford to,unless ther are deterrents. These is no deterrent at he moment,and the only effective deterrent is appropriatelt prepared citizenry. The police can't be everywhere. And eve if the police is present,they still can't sact until law is broken.. </div></div>

what about surveilance cameras
or divide the country in 2...the dons &amp; criminals &amp; their apologists can have one half </div></div>So th eDons with their arms will just leave the unarmed half to live inpeace eh??
and they stay over their side and rob each other..
....Sound good. like paradise.

no not at all- a pre-condition would be that the other side is armed as well;
then we can shoot it out like vietnam or korea...
south jamaica

[RichD]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
my position is that the leaders have an obligation to instill a sense of national as well as ethnic pride in the people;
</div></div> but yuh nuh think that horse has left the barn already?

[Panajar]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div>



HERE A OUTSTANDING ARTICLE WHICH ADDRESS THE SUBJECT PERFECTLY. IT IS WRITTEN BY<span style="font-weight: bold"> DR WENDEL ABEL.</span>

Maybe this will have you reconsidering your position.


Shackled to the past trapped in the present
published: Wednesday | March 31, 2004


Wendel Abel - I AM WHAT I THINK

THE ENSLAVEMENT of our people for almost four centuries destroyed our ethnic, national and social identities. Many of the problems we face such as underachieving males, interpersonal violence, fragmented social systems, dysfunctional family patterns and a preponderance of single female-headed households are part of the psychosocial legacy of slavery and are experienced by many post-slavery societies.

COLOUR AND CLASS

Out of slavery evolved a class system which was determined by colour. Blacks were denied their humanity and deemed inferior to all others. Consider the aphorism, 'if you are white you are right, when you are brown stay around and when you are black stay back'. Are we then surprised that in 2004 the browning is still glorified, that many still aspire to marry someone of a 'browner' hue, that our people continue to bleach their skins and that the brown or white person is still preferentially treated in many quarters? That in many families the darkest person is abused emotionally and physically and anything black is degraded.

FAMILY

The plantation system was designed to generate wealth for one class. A stable family life was never encouraged, men were separated from their women and children from their mothers. The dominant family patterns characterised by visiting relationships, a preponderance of single-headed households and absent fathers have evolved out of slavery.

DENIGRATION OF THE HUMAN BEING

The West Indian negro slaves were devalued. Lowell Ragatz in 1928 wrote, 'he had all the characteristics of his race. He stole, he lied, he was simple, suspicious, inefficient, irresponsible, lazy, superstitious, and loose in his sexual relations.' Such was the perception of slaves and their descendants. These are concepts many still have of blacks, especially poor black persons. Many of these traits,described as negatives, were some of the strategies used to survive slavery. These strategies were considered adaptive but have become maladaptive in modern society.

VIOLENCE

Slavery was characterised by hard labour, brutal punishment and constant separation from loved ones. Here are some examples from the literature of how humans were punished: 'flogged him, had him rubbed in salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper'; 'gagged him, locked his hands together, rubbed him in molasses and exposed him naked to the flies all day, and to the mosquitoes all night'; and 'a slave caught eating cane was whipped and another slave told to defecate in his mouth'.

Punishment by the master was harsh and brutal and the life of the black slave was worth nothing. Such was the level of dehumanisation, indignity and enforced powerlessness. It has generated resentment for authority and a devaluation of human life. Are we surprised at the high levels of interpersonal violence and the lack of respect for human life in Jamaica?

SEX AND POWER

Power and sex were integrally linked in the plantation system. White men and higher-ranked men exploited the black woman. Historian, Barbara Bush noted that 'the sexual exploitation of slave women by white men represented a natural extension of the general power of white over black'. In one historical review a white overseer had sexual encounters with 87 different women in one year.

The greater the sexual exploits of the black male slave and the more children he had, the more valued he was. Black women also manipulated relationships with white males as they saw themselves as being able to achieve social mobility by sleeping with white men and having 'brown children' who could achieve social mobility by virtue of their colour.

MALE RESPONSIBILITY

The black male was encouraged to sire as many children on the plantation. The fact that men would have their women and children separated from them discouraged the development of strong emotional bonds in families and fostered 'the irresponsible black male'.

As we grapple with the scars left by slavery, we equally need to devise strategies to overcome them. This society must go through a period of deconstruction and break from the psychological chains that shackle us to our past. This deconstruction is necessary as we reconstruct ourselves into a caring, just and less violent society.

Dr. Wendel Abel is a Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer, University of the West Indies. </div></div>

no i did not change my position;
i have studied slavery, colonialism &amp; racism...
my position is that the leaders have an obligation to instill a sense of national as well as ethnic pride in the people;
yes we were taught self-hate, but there has to be someone to teach the yutes coming up another way...instead these leaders have continued down the path of mental slavery rules---
with disastrous results </div></div>

What do you expect when most of the former leader did not look
like the people they are leading. <span style="font-weight: bold">we even had a Lebanese American leading us.</span>

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: dem bruk Bolt house

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
slavery, colonialism &amp; racism can no longer be blamed...
jamaicans must build jamaica or we will continue to sing this same losers' lament...
if anything i blame the current crop of (mis)leaders...

back in the 1920's garvey warned that jamaica was headed for a society like this if the leaders continued to mis-lead the masses;
there is no excuse why NO LEADER up to now to have heeded the words of garvey in relation to jamaican nationalism...
in fact garvey referred to it as 'ridiculous' </div></div>



HERE A OUTSTANDING ARTICLE WHICH ADDRESS THE SUBJECT PERFECTLY. IT IS WRITTEN BY<span style="font-weight: bold"> DR WENDEL ABEL.</span>

Maybe this will have you reconsidering your position.


Shackled to the past trapped in the present
published: Wednesday | March 31, 2004


Wendel Abel - I AM WHAT I THINK

THE ENSLAVEMENT of our people for almost four centuries destroyed our ethnic, national and social identities. Many of the problems we face such as underachieving males, interpersonal violence, fragmented social systems, dysfunctional family patterns and a preponderance of single female-headed households are part of the psychosocial legacy of slavery and are experienced by many post-slavery societies.

COLOUR AND CLASS

Out of slavery evolved a class system which was determined by colour. Blacks were denied their humanity and deemed inferior to all others. Consider the aphorism, 'if you are white you are right, when you are brown stay around and when you are black stay back'. Are we then surprised that in 2004 the browning is still glorified, that many still aspire to marry someone of a 'browner' hue, that our people continue to bleach their skins and that the brown or white person is still preferentially treated in many quarters? That in many families the darkest person is abused emotionally and physically and anything black is degraded.

FAMILY

The plantation system was designed to generate wealth for one class. A stable family life was never encouraged, men were separated from their women and children from their mothers. The dominant family patterns characterised by visiting relationships, a preponderance of single-headed households and absent fathers have evolved out of slavery.

DENIGRATION OF THE HUMAN BEING

The West Indian negro slaves were devalued. Lowell Ragatz in 1928 wrote, 'he had all the characteristics of his race. He stole, he lied, he was simple, suspicious, inefficient, irresponsible, lazy, superstitious, and loose in his sexual relations.' Such was the perception of slaves and their descendants. These are concepts many still have of blacks, especially poor black persons. Many of these traits,described as negatives, were some of the strategies used to survive slavery. These strategies were considered adaptive but have become maladaptive in modern society.

VIOLENCE

Slavery was characterised by hard labour, brutal punishment and constant separation from loved ones. Here are some examples from the literature of how humans were punished: 'flogged him, had him rubbed in salt pickle, lime juice and bird pepper'; 'gagged him, locked his hands together, rubbed him in molasses and exposed him naked to the flies all day, and to the mosquitoes all night'; and 'a slave caught eating cane was whipped and another slave told to defecate in his mouth'.

Punishment by the master was harsh and brutal and the life of the black slave was worth nothing. Such was the level of dehumanisation, indignity and enforced powerlessness. It has generated resentment for authority and a devaluation of human life. Are we surprised at the high levels of interpersonal violence and the lack of respect for human life in Jamaica?

SEX AND POWER

Power and sex were integrally linked in the plantation system. White men and higher-ranked men exploited the black woman. Historian, Barbara Bush noted that 'the sexual exploitation of slave women by white men represented a natural extension of the general power of white over black'. In one historical review a white overseer had sexual encounters with 87 different women in one year.

The greater the sexual exploits of the black male slave and the more children he had, the more valued he was. Black women also manipulated relationships with white males as they saw themselves as being able to achieve social mobility by sleeping with white men and having 'brown children' who could achieve social mobility by virtue of their colour.

MALE RESPONSIBILITY

The black male was encouraged to sire as many children on the plantation. The fact that men would have their women and children separated from them discouraged the development of strong emotional bonds in families and fostered 'the irresponsible black male'.

As we grapple with the scars left by slavery, we equally need to devise strategies to overcome them. This society must go through a period of deconstruction and break from the psychological chains that shackle us to our past. This deconstruction is necessary as we reconstruct ourselves into a caring, just and less violent society.

Dr. Wendel Abel is a Consultant Psychiatrist and Senior Lecturer, University of the West Indies. </div></div>

no i did not change my position;
i have studied slavery, colonialism &amp; racism...
my position is that the leaders have an obligation to instill a sense of national as well as ethnic pride in the people;
yes we were taught self-hate, but there has to be someone to teach the yutes coming up another way...instead these leaders have continued down the path of mental slavery rules---
with disastrous results </div></div> Man stop talk aboutpride.. you never hear that pride before substance is a fools paradise. Peiple have to hav esomething to have prode about. People can't hav eprode when they can't fond a place to live because they don't earn. The government could only instill orode if it could generate income prodicing employmetnt. Thatcouldn't hapopen because of the vestiges of colonialism that is still contriol of th eeconomic aspect of thecpuntry. It is theeconomy thatis respinsible for the poverty or prosperity of a country.
Business people will for ever object to pay their fair share of everythying. That includes taxes, wages prce for raw materials, but they will try toget the highest they can for what they sell. it take an independent govrmment to stand uop tp businesses.
this is impossible due to theway elections and politics are funded. in additionto who owns and controls th epublic medi sources. They use their media to control the message.
They can make any lie seem true if all the media is saying it so often.
government have to represent thepeople, not businesses. siome wont like it. and Some will rather leave before paying it. But it is better to lose what you don't get already, than to worry about whatcould have been.
unless ther is adequate