Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

**Dyoll_73** · 03-02-2010, 01:04 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just as I said - you don't get it! To you, only homosexuals will find this kind of music offensive. I would tell you that most of the world is against this kind of crap being branded as Jamaican culture. </div></div>

Not so fast Humano...here I was thinking the reverse that some of this took off like lightning because of the high five this type of music has been receiving from foreigners.

I agree that some of "yaawd music" now have very offensive lyrics, but as I said, I don't think they would gain so much popularity abroad had it not been for foreigners of similar mind-set who think it is cool/groovy/ IRIE or whateva they want to call it.

..so blame has to be shared, and there is more than enough to go around...starting with our own GOVAHMENT who didn't think some of these lyrics were just plain volatile...even using some of them in political campaigns.</div></div>

I would say,
-(1) yes, there are people world over who understand what the lyrics are saying (the ones with violence, lewdness, homophobia) who may even agree with it.
- (2)some, while they understand it, may take it lightly, seeing it as mere entertainment
- (3)there are others who have no clue what the lyrics are saying, but they find the art form compelling, the beat captivating, and they enjoy it, again, without understanding what the lyrics are saying.

I can understand that; as you know it's easy to move to a certain dancehall song, based on the riddim and the ability of the artiste to artfully express the lyrics and enjoy it on a certain level even while strongly disagreeing with the lyrical content. It is seductive.

I would say that the popularity of dancehall is due MOSTLY to the people identified as (2) and (3) above, and moreso (3). My point is that most people, world over, would be against any music form that degrades women, is crude and advocates violence.

The dancehall art form as a sub-genre within reggae is definitely Jamaican culture; again, the art form itself. But does it's lyrical content always express "Jamaican culture"? Of course, this will invite the question: What is Jamaican culture? Are lewdness and violence Jamaican culture, even though they abound there? Should we just settle for the simplistic view that it is 'art imitating life'?

And if we talk economics: is there a demand for it abroad in such a quantity that a number of artistes think they have to 'supply' it? Well, we're seeing one aspect of the backlash. I think eventually money will talk, and the artists and record companies will understand that language clearly.

**Wahalla** · 03-02-2010, 01:18 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

As unpaletable as this may be.. This homophobic, anti-gay, gun praising, sexual explcit, misogensitc, materialistic praise poems is as much part of our culture as the church going and the philoshy of rastafari.. part of all are equally as idiotic to me. however there are aspects of it that are equally life afirming. Jamaica culture is dynamic fast changing and it includes an artictechure of that incorperates iron bars in the windows.

Jamaican culute is not folislised into the "folk songs myth " like linstead market or Ms Lou imagry of equally poor colour coridinated maypole dancing costumes.. Half remebered songs of Colon Man. Jamaican culture includes the works of Elephant Man, Mutaburuka, Bogle dancers or what ever is the latest dance craze, as well as the art of Rex Nettleford.... It includes black consiousness as well as skin bleaching. It includes love of atheletics and young men aspiring to be shottas...

**britisha** · 03-02-2010, 02:38 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just as I said - you don't get it! To you, only homosexuals will find this kind of music offensive. I would tell you that most of the world is against this kind of crap being branded as Jamaican culture. </div></div>

Not so fast Humano...here I was thinking the reverse that some of this took off like lightning because of the high five this type of music has been receiving from foreigners.

I agree that some of "yaawd music" now have very offensive lyrics, but as I said, I don't think they would gain so much popularity abroad had it not been for foreigners of similar mind-set who think it is cool/groovy/ IRIE or whateva they want to call it.

..so blame has to be shared, and there is more than enough to go around...starting with our own GOVAHMENT who didn't think some of these lyrics were just plain volatile...even using some of them in political campaigns.</div></div>

I would say,
-(1) yes, there are people world over who understand what the lyrics are saying (the ones with violence, lewdness, homophobia) who may even agree with it.
- (2)some, while they understand it, may take it lightly, seeing it as mere entertainment
- (3)there are others who have no clue what the lyrics are saying, but they find the art form compelling, the beat captivating, and they enjoy it, again, without understanding what the lyrics are saying.

I can understand that; as you know it's easy to move to a certain dancehall song, based on the riddim and the ability of the artiste to artfully express the lyrics and enjoy it on a certain level even while strongly disagreeing with the lyrical content. It is seductive.

I would say that the popularity of dancehall is due MOSTLY to the people identified as (2) and (3) above, and moreso (3). My point is that most people, world over, would be against any music form that degrades women, is crude and advocates violence </div></div>

I have to agree, because I believe that inherently there is more good in all people than bad; however, it is ironic that ppl would allow themselves to be entertained by such foul lyrics...I don't understand it...indirectly those who supported these types of music, including SOME hip-hop and SOME other genres that cater to violence, are equally to be blamed... not only the artistes. <span style="font-weight: bold">There can be no supply if there is NO demand..</span><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The dancehall art form as a sub-genre within reggae is definitely Jamaican culture; again, the art form itself. But does it's lyrical content always express "Jamaican culture"? Of course, this will invite the question: What is Jamaican culture? Are lewdness and violence Jamaican culture, even though they abound there? Should we just settle for the simplistic view that it is 'art imitating life'?</div></div>
This was also up for debate as to whether dancehall is really a part of Jamaican culture or not. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And if we talk economics: is there a demand for it abroad in such a quantity that a number of artistes think they have to 'supply' it? Well, we're seeing one aspect of the backlash. I think eventually money will talk, and the artists and record companies will understand that language clearly.
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These are very pertinent questions that Jamaicans should ask, however rhetorical, as to what do we want to promote as "Jamaican."

What shouldn't be omitted in this discussion is this..IMO, I think the Gay and Lesbian groups are behind all of this, even if they are not solely responsible, they played a very important part.

**britisha** · 03-02-2010, 02:42 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As unpaletable as this may be.. This homophobic, anti-gay, gun praising, sexual explcit, misogensitc, materialistic praise poems is as much part of our culture as the church going and the philoshy of rastafari.. part of all are equally as idiotic to me. however there are aspects of it that are equally life afirming. Jamaica culture is dynamic fast changing and it includes an artictechure of that incorperates iron bars in the windows.

Jamaican culute is not folislised into the "folk songs myth " like linstead market or Ms Lou imagry of equally poor colour coridinated maypole dancing costumes.. Half remebered songs of Colon Man. Jamaican culture includes the works of Elephant Man, Mutaburuka, Bogle dancers or what ever is the latest dance craze, as well as the art of Rex Nettleford.... It includes black consiousness as well as skin bleaching. It includes love of atheletics and young men aspiring to be shottas... </div></div>

Chrying to follow you here Wahalla.

**neutral** · 03-02-2010, 03:00 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What shouldn't be omitted in this discussion is this..IMO, I think the Gay and Lesbian groups are behind all of this, even if they are not solely responsible, they played a very important part.

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I agree,however,It,s kinda irrelevant which group started the backlash,it would have to take a foreign based group to bring all this to the fore,when it comes to effective counter action against any form of discrimination or moral decline jamaica has always lacked any form,even the so-called christian groups are redundant it seems,,they more than ever fuels the hate

**britisha** · 03-02-2010, 03:10 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What shouldn't be omitted in this discussion is this..IMO, I think the Gay and Lesbian groups are behind all of this, even if they are not solely responsible, they played a very important part.

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I agree,however,It,s kinda irrelevant which group started the backlash,it would have to take a foreign based group to bring all this to the fore,when it comes to effective counter action against any form of discrimination or moral decline jamaica has always lacked any form,even the so-called christian groups are redundant it seems,,they more than ever fuels the hate </div></div>

You make a very good point as painful as it is. We need not forget that some of the churches are more prolific in calling for "hell fyah an brimstone" on their fellow humans; mebbie that is the origin of all this....ongle that it apparently got out of hand.

Do you think we are too vocal with our disdain?

**neutral** · 03-02-2010, 06:19 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Do you think we are too vocal with our disdain?

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I dont think we are vocal enough,the homophobic brigade,and the supporters of nastiness in some genre of jamaican music have had it their way for far too long,now that there is a backlash they are whingeing and complaining that it`s not fair,...after they have advocated the murder and or decapitation of a certain group of people based on their sexuality,debased women,bring the music down to the lowest level of depravity,..they now have the front to say that it`s unfair what the gay lobby is doing to them abroad.

There is no doubt that they will start to smarten up their act,when the effect of overseas lobbying start to hurt them in the pockets,...this is not a matter of if,..but when,if Jamaican music/singers can survive without the revenues that comes from overseas concerts or record sales then fine,..but as long as it relies on that avenue then they will have to conform,they WILL have to cut out the vile lyrics.

**blugiant** · 03-02-2010, 07:05 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont think it,s in the german,s interest to kill dancehall,dancehall is killing itself,some of the lyrics are vile,nasty,and degrading to women,and advcating the murder of anyone based on their sexuality is not music.</div></div>

This is the point lost on some people. I'm surprised it took this long. Those artistes and their supporters would be wrong to think that only the homosexual community is against this kind of music content. Eventually, those artistes and their record companies will feel it in their pockets. But not to worry, there's still Uganda, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

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moas de wurld iss against homosexualitee soo da end result will lead too peeps bookinn reggae findinn addar avenues fii push reggae ann dancehall. wan market closed addar will open upp soo itt settinn da groundateshan fii findinn peeps dat ar more inn aggreement widd da message. dat y mii sey i forgot dem </div></div>

Just as I said - you don't get it! To you, only homosexuals will find this kind of music offensive. I would tell you that most of the world is against this kind of crap being branded as Jamaican culture. </div></div>

iff moas aff wurld find dancehall music as affensive den deer wood bee noo need fii blakklist ann tryinn fii censar blakk dancehall artists

like itt ar natt moas as wurld view homosexualitee as an unnatural abomination

**blugiant** · 03-02-2010, 07:22 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just as I said - you don't get it! To you, only homosexuals will find this kind of music offensive. I would tell you that most of the world is against this kind of crap being branded as Jamaican culture.</div></div>

Humano, You could not have said it any better before and now... Reggae, the "name brand" is being tarnished by sick individuals who believe that targeting homosexuals is their "god given right"... Music at best, should transcend all cultures and life styles and should not be "persecutory". ~ Bob Marley did not put Reggae on the map by descending to such low levels... The "writing is on the wall" and it's only a matter of time, before these purveyors of "persecution and violence" transform Reggae to an international banned music...

There is still hope for the music to rise above the gutter if they "live and let live". Leave it to God who will take care of those whose <span style="font-style: italic">sinful behaviour and transgressions</span> offend HIM. ~ The music should not be hijacked by the few and thereby jeopardize the many who seek their livelihood from it...
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"At a time of universal deceit," wrote George Orwell, "telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

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nuh marley sing man to man iss soo unjust. yu knoo marley use fii cawl annada famous funnee reggae singer oil

dancehall iss natt reggae. iff yu knoo da histaree aff reggae, den yu yu stapp chatt nunsense. reggae is mixxed music, spiritualitee ann religion ann iff yu lissen to marley yu kno diss. awl dancehall iss doinn iss fallawinn inn marley tradition ann chantinn down babylon. soo oonnoo fii tapp oonnoo foolishness bout marley songs were natt banned ann blakklisted. marley ann tosh add too use violence fii gitt dem music played pon radio. reggae music iss rebel music ann blakklisted ann banned iss part aff da histaree ann yu knoo diss barosa soo stapp yu foolishness

**neutral** · 03-02-2010, 07:31 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

iff moas aff wurld find dancehall music as affensive den deer wood bee noo need fii blakklist ann tryinn fii censar blakk dancehall artists

like itt ar natt moas as wurld view homosexualitee as an unnatural abomination </div></div>

You are just obsessed with all things homo,..this issue is not simply about the homophobic lyrics of the music,try and get your head out the gutter for a minute,it`s also one of decency,and the x-rated lyrical content of some of the dancehall music,....obviously things and times have changed in Jamaica,however,why has it changed so much that there are no restrictions as to what singers are allowed to distribute in the name of "music",could it be that the music simply reflects a steady decline of morals ,or is it that it is just a part of the other social ills of jamdung.

**blugiant** · 03-02-2010, 07:33 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The "writing is on the wall" and it's only a matter of time, before these purveyors of "persecution and violence" transform Reggae to an international banned music...
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I see what you're saying. If dancehall, which mostly reaches the youth, doesn't strive for innovation and if a number of the leading artistes continue to rely on themes of violence, degredation of women, and crass materialism, then that form of expression will meet a certain death. Already, we see that some leading artistes are becoming pariahs on the international music scene.

Still, I think reggae fans all over the world will still be drawn to Roots Reggae, despite what's happening with dancehall, and they (including the Germans) do make the distinction.

It's a defining moment for the industry. Perhaps this is the time for a rebirth or a rediscovery of Jamaican pop music. </div></div>

oonnoo a chatt nunsense. reggae wass awlway outcast rebel musicann itt dat revolutionaree spirit dat drive reggae music. yu reed da artikkle ann dem sed legalize itt bye peter tosh wass banned inn germanee too ann oonnoo ignorinn da trooth dat itt natt onlee dancehall. saree butt deer iss nuttinn wrang widd slackness crass materialism ann even violennt lyrics cah like marley sey wan good ting bout music iss wen itt hitt yu feel noo pain.

**neutral** · 03-02-2010, 07:41 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

dancehall iss natt reggae. iff yu knoo da histaree aff reggae, den yu yu stapp chatt nunsense. reggae is mixxed music, spiritualitee ann religion ann iff yu lissen to marley yu kno diss. awl dancehall iss doinn iss fallawinn inn marley tradition ann chantinn down babylon. </div></div>

It is you that is talking nonsense,and contradicting yourself in the process,you say that dancehall is not reggae,then you go on to say that dancehall is following in marley`s tradition,...I seem to remember that bob marley`s genre of music WAS reggae,so if present day artistes are following marley one would assume that that is the way reggae has evolved.

I am sure even a wanabee jamaican like you must have heard this little piece by marley at some point...........
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**blugiant** · 03-02-2010, 07:44 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> GERMANY, Europe's largest economy, has b...iolent content.

So the tentacles are reaching far and wide heh?

Very small world indeed. </div></div>

I would not let my children listen to most of that, nor would I listen to any of that in the presence of my mother, my yardstick for offence...If others want to listen to it I have no issue with them. But I dont want to be verbally assulted by it.

While not a fan of this type of music, I see it not as culture but as a commodity. Others will object. I find the wjhole dancehall passa-passa too loud, too crude too tiring... It is a high value commodity that generates value, it is creative, it has high interlectual property content, it creats jobs.

I dont beleive that the Jamaican goverment has invested in music compare to hte money they have wasted over the years on the sugar industry, air Jamaica, FINAC. Jamaica should invest in improving both the creative side, the marketing, the technical side of Dance hall. Having Jamaican artist recording in other languages.. getting artists coming to record in Jamaica.. where they can have competent trained technicians and musicans with professionals rahter thant the adhoc talented amatuers that we have over the years... the truth is that it is the black urban masses that has the talent, driove that it is. While elephant Man etal should realise that is that getting a hit in the high value markets is of more value that "keeping it real" or "true to their culture" The fact of the matter it is that Jamaica creativity should be nurtured, so far it is being nurtured by widows mites from the poor.

tony rebel did a spanish version of "if jah is standing by my side" </div></div>

sah slackness ann lewdness iss part aff reggae histaree. yu cyaan bee soo naive dat yu tink older peeps neva use fii enjoy itt too

white rumm ann . ole peeps luv fii gawn dem shack fii ear yung peeps sing bout sex. wey oonnoo tink sum aff de duttee wines cum fram

**blugiant** · 03-02-2010, 07:55 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

iff moas aff wurld find dancehall music as affensive den deer wood bee noo need fii blakklist ann tryinn fii censar blakk dancehall artists

like itt ar natt moas as wurld view homosexualitee as an unnatural abomination </div></div>

You are just obsessed with all things homo,..this issue is not simply about the homophobic lyrics of the music,try and get your head out the gutter for a minute,it`s also one of decency,and the x-rated lyrical content of some of the dancehall music,....obviously things and times have changed in Jamaica,however,why has it changed so much that there are no restrictions as to what singers are allowed to distribute in the name of "music",could it be that the music simply reflects a steady decline of morals ,or is it that it is just a part of the other social ills of jamdung. </div></div>

homosexualitee iss indecent ting soo oww yu chatt bout issues aff decencee widdout defininn indecents ting. mii ave noo prablen x-rated lyrics as long as itt natt played on radio wey yuths ar constantlee subjekkted too itt

**britisha** · 03-02-2010, 10:45 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Meesamewan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> GERMANY, Europe's largest economy, has b...iolent content.

So the tentacles are reaching far and wide heh?

Very small world indeed. </div></div>

I would not let my children listen to most of that, nor would I listen to any of that in the presence of my mother, my yardstick for offence...If others want to listen to it I have no issue with them. But I dont want to be verbally assulted by it.

While not a fan of this type of music, I see it not as culture but as a commodity. Others will object. I find the wjhole dancehall passa-passa too loud, too crude too tiring... It is a high value commodity that generates value, it is creative, it has high interlectual property content, it creats jobs.

I dont beleive that the Jamaican goverment has invested in music compare to hte money they have wasted over the years on the sugar industry, air Jamaica, FINAC. Jamaica should invest in improving both the creative side, the marketing, the technical side of Dance hall. Having Jamaican artist recording in other languages.. getting artists coming to record in Jamaica.. where they can have competent trained technicians and musicans with professionals rahter thant the adhoc talented amatuers that we have over the years... the truth is that it is the black urban masses that has the talent, driove that it is. While elephant Man etal should realise that is that getting a hit in the high value markets is of more value that "keeping it real" or "true to their culture" The fact of the matter it is that Jamaica creativity should be nurtured, so far it is being nurtured by widows mites from the poor.

tony rebel did a spanish version of "if jah is standing by my side" </div></div>

sah slackness ann lewdness iss part aff reggae histaree. yu cyaan bee soo naive dat yu tink older peeps neva use fii enjoy itt too

white rumm ann . ole peeps luv fii gawn dem shack fii ear yung peeps sing bout sex. wey oonnoo tink sum aff de duttee wines cum fram </div></div>

Minoh think soh...while there were songs with "lewd meanings/connotations" they were sort of coded...one had to be able to put two and two together to realise what they were saying/referring to...but never this outright expression with "f" words an di advocating of violence... and all that...hanless is anadda Jamaica yuh talking bout.

<span style="font-style: italic">Please Mistah, don't yuh touch mi tomato...

All yuh want is feel up feel up

Nevah tyad a squeeze up squeeze up</span>

When we were chirrens we couldn't sing these songs, but when we got older we figured out why..

Remember when "Johnny yuh too bad" was forbidden to be played in Ja?<span style="font-style: italic"> [at least a soh dem did seh]

"Walking dung di road wid yuh rachitt in yuh waist
Johnny yuh too bad"</span>

...and "One Draw" {Rita Marley}. dem did waan fi pull off the air?

<span style="font-style: italic">Smokey?

Smokey?

Yes teacha..</span>

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