Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

**jah_yout** · 03-02-2010, 11:21 PM

Re: Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just as I said - you don't get it! To you, only homosexuals will find this kind of music offensive. I would tell you that most of the world is against this kind of crap being branded as Jamaican culture.</div></div>

Humano, You could not have said it any better before and now... Reggae, the "name brand" is being tarnished by sick individuals who believe that targeting homosexuals is their "god given right"... Music at best, should transcend all cultures and life styles and should not be "persecutory". ~ Bob Marley did not put Reggae on the map by descending to such low levels... The "writing is on the wall" and it's only a matter of time, before these purveyors of "persecution and violence" transform Reggae to an international banned music...

There is still hope for the music to rise above the gutter if they "live and let live". Leave it to God who will take care of those whose <span style="font-style: italic">sinful behaviour and transgressions</span> offend HIM. ~ The music should not be hijacked by the few and thereby jeopardize the many who seek their livelihood from it...
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<span style="font-weight: bold">nuh marley sing man to man iss soo unjust.</span> yu knoo marley use fii cawl annada famous funnee reggae singer oil

dancehall iss natt reggae. iff yu knoo da histaree aff reggae, den yu yu stapp chatt nunsense. reggae is mixxed music, spiritualitee ann religion ann iff yu lissen to marley yu kno diss. awl dancehall iss doinn iss fallawinn inn marley tradition ann chantinn down babylon. soo oonnoo fii tapp oonnoo foolishness bout marley songs were natt banned ann blakklisted. marley ann tosh add too use violence fii gitt dem music played pon radio. reggae music iss rebel music ann blakklisted ann banned iss part aff da histaree ann yu knoo diss barosa soo stapp yu foolishness </div></div>

you really think marley was talking about gays in that lyric??

real jokes...
your synopsis of dancehall vis a vi reggae is a bit warped as well

**Marielle** · 03-03-2010, 07:09 AM

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[quote=Humano Still, I think reggae fans all over the world will still be drawn to Roots Reggae, despite what's happening with dancehall, and they (including the Germans) do make the distinction.[/quote]

There's a great line-up at Summerjam this year! a.o. Don Carlos!!

Strangely enough, there doesn't seem to be an english-language link on this. Check out the Impressionen tho, great videos!
(also a Bunny Wailer interview on there).

Summerjam -

http://summerjam.eu/

**Marielle** · 03-03-2010, 07:20 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">moas de wurld iss against homosexualitee</div></div>

Well, yes, but more and more countries are realising that you cannot discriminate on any basis, including sexual orientation. After all, you are born gay, it's not exactly a life-style choice, (and who would choose it, given what they have to put up with).
Equal rights (they pay their taxes like anyone else).

Argentina just had its first gay marriage a few months ago.

**Marielle** · 03-03-2010, 07:38 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
you really think marley was talking about gays in that lyric?? </div></div>

when Marley was around most gays were still pretty much in the closet.

**Derek** · 03-03-2010, 08:08 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marielle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guess it took them a while to figure out the lyrics cos Buju Banton was playing at Summerjam last year in Germany....

http://www.reggaenode.de/summerjam/ </div></div>

Nothing to do with Germans eventually figuring out lyrics.
More to do with e-mails to Germany from Peter Tatchell and his friends.

**Derek** · 03-03-2010, 08:10 AM

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I wonder if Movado's mother has heard this?

**britisha** · 03-03-2010, 08:42 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

moas de wurld iss against homosexualitee soo da end result will lead too peeps bookinn reggae findinn addar avenues fii push reggae ann dancehall. wan market closed addar will open upp soo itt settinn da groundateshan fii findinn peeps dat ar more inn aggreement widd da message. dat y mii sey i forgot dem </div></div>2nd quote

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iff moas aff wurld find dancehall music as affensive den deer wood bee noo need fii blakklist ann tryinn fii censar blakk dancehall artists

like itt ar natt moas as wurld view homosexualitee as an unnatural abomination </div></div>The issue is not whether most of the world find homosexuality offensive or not or an abomination.

The issue is <span style="font-weight: bold">the lyrics</span> in some of these songs that call for violence on others especially certain GROUPS OF PEOPLE. If Germany [of all places ] think that certain song lyrics agguh defile the minds of their young, then that is their perroggative. Nobaddie fram houtside cyaan tel dem how fi run dem bizniz, sameway nobaddie cyaan tell Jamaica how fi run feet bizniz..

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Now this is from 1997, just to cite one example; and I'm sure others can google and find countless others about songs with offensive lyrics.

AGAIN, THIS IS FROM 1997.. l i n k

Time Warner Again Faces the Music Over Song Lyrics
Media: Critics say single promoted by the company glorifies domestic violence. Producer denies the charge.
December 04, 1997|CHUCK PHILIPS , TIMES STAFF WRITER<span style="font-weight: bold">

Time Warner Inc., the media giant that drew heat several years ago for selling a record called "Cop Killer," is now promoting a song called "Smack My [censored] Up"--a tune that critics say glorifies domestic violence.</span><span style="font-style: italic">

The song, recorded by Britain's top-selling act, Prodigy, was released last week as a single on Madonna's Maverick label, which is half-owned by Warner Bros. Records, a subsidiary of Time Warner. The single is being played uncensored on about a dozen radio stations across the nation, including KROQ, the top rock station in Los Angeles.</span>

...an let me say this agen: Agen, the Jamaican government should monitor closely what gets air time in the country, especially since we have many youths who can be easily influenced [like anniwhere helse].

Criticizing song lyrics might just be a good thing for it might open a new avenue for song writers who can come up with lyrics that are up-beat and fahwud. Wi don't have to cater to the looseness and head in the gutter type lyrics that seem pervasive worldwide now.

**Leddih** · 03-03-2010, 08:44 AM

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I was walking in Half-Way-Tree a few weeks ago, (no I'm not one of the "street people" ) and heard a "tuneless" with much the same lyrics booming loudly from a coaster. Sitting comfortably in the bus were about 7 youngsters from about 13 years DOWN. There were no adults except the driver and the conductor who walked away and left the children. Their protection, very obviously, was not on his mind.

**neutral** · 03-03-2010, 08:51 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was walking in Half-Way-Tree a few weeks ago, (no I'm not one of the "street people" ) and heard a "tuneless" with much the same lyrics booming loudly from a coaster. Sitting comfortably in the bus were about 7 youngsters from about 13 years DOWN. There were no adults except the driver and the conductor who walked away and left the children. Their protection, very obviously, was not on his mind. </div></div>

Seet deh !.....the minds are corrupted from a very young age,nothing is censored,they grow up accepting this kind of thing as "normal"...and we wring our hands in despair why jamaica is currently up isht street without a paddle.

**britisha** · 03-03-2010, 10:24 AM

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Very well said, Natral.

**Wahalla** · 03-03-2010, 01:20 PM

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I went down picadilly circus
there I saw marcus
he had brown sugar
all over his bugawuga
I think I'll join the fun
so I had to lick and run

Bobs lyrics.. this can be interpreted as a homosexual orgy in which Bob joined in!

**Leddih** · 03-03-2010, 02:20 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went down picadilly circus
there I saw marcus
he had brown sugar
all over his bugawuga
I think I'll join the fun
so I had to lick and run

Bobs lyrics.. this can be interpreted as a homosexual orgy in which Bob joined in! </div></div>

When did Bob write/sing those lyrics?

This is what I hear:

I went downtown, (I went downtown)
I saw <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Miss Brown</span></span>; (said, I saw Miss Brown)
She had brown sugar (had brown sugar)
All over <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">her booga-wooga</span></span>. (over her booga-wooga)

and

I went down to Picadilly Circus;
Down there I saw Marcus:
He had a candy tar
All over his chocolate bar.

and I interpret that to mean that Marcus was a black man and he was sampling Miss Brown's sugar because:-
1) The in my opinion the effect of imagery and lyrics is heterosexual even with your insinuation of homosexuality.
2) I don't associate Bob Marley with homosexuality.
3) Even if he had been that way inclined (which would have been one of the greatest deceptions in the history of mankind) there is no way that he would have recorded the song.

**britisha** · 03-03-2010, 03:08 PM

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Very interesting Leddih.

Sometimes unless the lyrics writer specifically says what the lyrics connote or mean, others can come away with various differing opinions; and the same can be applied to many of the lyrics of songs condemned.

To stretch this, some say that [even] Little Riding Hood and Humpty Dumpty, kiddie Lit were naughty in nature.. [?? banned in some schools].

Again, the issue is around lyrics that r downright vulgar and clearly advocate, without any doubt violence towards others; and those who can affect the economics be it the sale of records, concerts or even the sale of books, will do it to send a message.

Just hope everboddy involved applies 'their' moralistic stance across the board and not just at randm to spite some while others get let off the hook.

**Tuff Gong** · 03-03-2010, 05:23 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went down picadilly circus
there I saw marcus
he had brown sugar
all over his bugawuga
I think I'll join the fun
so I had to lick and run

Bobs lyrics.. this can be interpreted as a homosexual orgy in which Bob joined in! </div></div>

Not so.
Many said it was drugs....specifically heroin....but my interpretation was that he saw folks having fun and he joined in regardless of where they hailed from.

**barosa** · 03-03-2010, 06:06 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oonnoo a chatt nunsense. reggae wass awlway outcast rebel musicann itt dat revolutionaree spirit dat drive reggae music. yu reed da artikkle ann dem sed legalize itt bye peter tosh wass banned inn germanee too ann oonnoo ignorinn da trooth dat itt natt onlee dancehall. saree butt deer iss nuttinn wrang widd slackness crass materialism ann even violennt lyrics cah like marley sey wan good ting bout music iss wen itt hitt yu feel noo pain.</div></div>

In the light of Germany's ban on so many of our artistes and their music, resulting in your strong defence of what you consider "harmless and OK" Jamaican music, I have to say that you are misguided... As others have stated, the German Govt has decided that <span style="font-style: italic">they have had enough of the vulgar crude and violent LYRICS associated with OUR music..</span> They have banned those who are creating and selling it to their youths, which is their right to do...

What is disconcerting to me, is the fact they recently added Peter Tosh's "Legalize It" to their list. What does that tell us? ; it should tell us that "OUR" music that once was OK is now comming under heavy scrutiny. Many that are not rude, vulgar, homophobic or violent are attracting attention... This is what I meant by saying "the writing is on the wall".. Our Jamaican "Name Brand" Reggae, is under much Scrutiny... Germany, being the largest economy in Europe with their influence, could be a disaster if we do not heed the message...
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Reggae artistes blacklisted in Germany

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