RIP Hon Dudley Thompson

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You may twist turn and frame it how you want, you only fooling youself.
Here is what I am saying - The CIA were in Jamaica and they would infiltrate any organization they can or deem necessary to the furtherance of their goal.....believe it or not. </div></div>

Wait how am I twisting and framing and you are not?
I have provided evidence that a long string of incidents from the late 60s to the 80s, namely:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Attack on Pearnel[*]Attack on Mike Henry[*]Shooting at Spanish Town[*]Shooting at Top Hill[*]Eventide Fire[*]Green Bay Killing[*]Gold Street Massacre[*]Rema Massacre[*]Orange Lane Fire[*]SOS76[/list]

All involved known, admitted, identified operatives

versus your assertion that the CIA was in Jamaica at that time therefore the CIA is/was responsible? You have not provided any evidence to bolster your claim?

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Simple Deductive Logic</span>
<span style="font-size: 14pt">CIA is bad
CIA was in Jamaica
Therefore CIA funded and committed referred incident</span>s

<span style="font-size: 11pt">CIA funded and committed referred incidents
Certain PNP Thugs are consistently at the scene of referred incidents
Hence CIA funded the PNP thugs</span>

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats stupid how I am going to know what the CIA does in Jamaica every single time??? :dizzy</div></div>

...but this is your claim on zero evidence!
You have not provided one iota of proof yet you make a leap to judgement, that the CIA was involved in these incidents. </div></div>


Nope! thats a lie I never stated that I know what the CIA does every single time....thats a lie
What makes my links zero evidence and your links evidence?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Originally Posted By: franksterr
<span style="font-style: italic">Yes.....The eventide fire was and is one of my main supporting idea, that the CIA was enmesh in the violence in Jamaica</span>

What proof in the video is there to support that?</div></div>

I already stated this the material that was used to start the fire.

.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: franksterr

<span style="font-style: italic">IF this act was carried out by PNP (as it seems you are saying)</span>
No .....Not I am saying.
What the victims, victims relatives, eye-witnesses and contemporary local news reports (which you have never referred to once), is saying.
Not I, the CIA was never accuses not once when the Eventide Fire broke out and was investigated.</div></div>

Do you know what the CIA look like or a CIA agent or asset looks like?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Originally Posted By: franksterr
<span style="font-style: italic">You may twist turn and frame it how you want, you only fooling youself.
Here is what I am saying - The CIA were in Jamaica and they would infiltrate any organization they can or deem necessary to the furtherance of their goal.....believe it or not. </span>


Wait how am I twisting and framing and you are not?
I have provided evidence that a long string of incidents from the late 60s to the 80s, namely:
•Attack on Pearnel
•Attack on Mike Henry
•Shooting at Spanish Town
•Shooting at Top Hill
•Eventide Fire
•Green Bay Killing
•Gold Street Massacre
•Rema Massacre
•Orange Lane Fire
•SOS76</div></div>

I have dealt with these issues already.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All involved known, admitted, identified operatives</div></div>
I have posted links to enforcers who have stated that they have worked for the CIA in Jamaica in the 70's.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">versus your assertion that the CIA was in Jamaica at that time therefore the CIA is/was responsible? You have not provided any evidence to bolster your claim?</div></div>

see above.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Simple Deductive Logic
CIA is bad
CIA was in Jamaica
Therefore CIA funded and committed referred incidents

CIA funded and committed referred incidents
Certain PNP Thugs are consistently at the scene of referred incidents
Hence CIA funded the PNP thugs</div></div>

Simply....... yes and there is other evidence like a history of committing similiar acts tactics and materials in other countries for the same reasons, that prove they were not just bystanders.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope! thats a lie I never stated that I know what the CIA does every single time....thats a lie </div></div>Yes it is a lie. You put it in my mouth because you cannot show me one instance where I said you did know what the CIA was up to in Jamaica.

You don't you have not provided any proof that the was involved in:
Green Bay
Eventide home
Rema Massacre
Gold Street Massacre
Top Hill
Spanish Town
Orange Lane Fire

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already stated this the material that was used to start the fire. </div></div>

What material?
What is the name?
What is so special about it?
How come it was not mentioned in any reports?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have posted links to enforcers who have stated that they have worked for the CIA in Jamaica in the 70's.</div></div>

Which one?
Job description?
What operation where they on?
Did any of them admit to taking part in?

Green Bay
Eventide home
Rema Massacre
Gold Street Massacre
Top Hill
Spanish Town
Orange Lane Fire

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know what the CIA look like or a CIA agent or asset looks like?</div></div>
Nope have I zero knowledge about that.
...care to share?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
•Attack on Pearnel
•Attack on Mike Henry
•Shooting at Spanish Town
•Shooting at Top Hill
•Eventide Fire
•Green Bay Killing
•Gold Street Massacre
•Rema Massacre
•Orange Lane Fire
•SOS76</div></div>

I have dealt with these issues already.</div></div>

No you have not. You have not provided one splinter of proof that the CIA, conceived of , funded and/or supervised, any or all of the above.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Simple Deductive Logic
CIA is bad
CIA was in Jamaica
Therefore CIA funded and committed referred incidents

CIA funded and committed referred incidents
Certain PNP Thugs are consistently at the scene of referred incidents
Hence CIA funded the PNP thugs</div></div>

Simply....... yes and there is other evidence like a history of committing similiar acts tactics and materials in other countries for the same reasons, that prove they were not just bystanders. </div></div>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Not interested in other unnamed, phantom acts, in Jamaica and/or other countries</span>.
<span style="font-size: 11pt">B<span style="color: #990000">y agreeing to the above</span> are you now acknowledging that the PNP (or elements of the Party), was working for/with/under the CIA to commit such dastardly acts?</span>

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Do you have proof?</span>

[franksterr]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know what the CIA look like or a CIA agent or asset looks like?
Nope have I zero knowledge about that.
...care to share? </div></div>

The average CIA agent more likely than not looks like the typical American, and the average CIA assest looks tends to look like the average local to the area where the operation is being conducted. Of course if needs be they may contract out work to individuals who are neither local or American.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong


•Attack on Pearnel
•Attack on Mike Henry
•Shooting at Spanish Town
•Shooting at Top Hill
•Eventide Fire
•Green Bay Killing
•Gold Street Massacre
•Rema Massacre
•Orange Lane Fire
•SOS76


<span style="font-style: italic">I have dealt with these issues already.</span>


I have dealt with these issues alreadyNo you have not. You have not provided one splinter of proof that the CIA, conceived of , funded and/or supervised, any or all of the above.</div></div>


I have dealt with these issues already.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong

Simple Deductive Logic
CIA is bad
CIA was in Jamaica
Therefore CIA funded and committed referred incidents

CIA funded and committed referred incidents
Certain PNP Thugs are consistently at the scene of referred incidents
Hence CIA funded the PNP thugs


<span style="font-style: italic">Simply....... yes and there is other evidence like a history of committing similiar acts tactics and materials in other countries for the same reasons, that prove they were not just bystanders.</span>

Not interested in other unnamed, phantom acts, in Jamaica and/or other countries.
By agreeing to the above are you now acknowledging that the PNP (or elements of the Party), was working for/with/under the CIA to commit such dastardly acts?

Do you have proof?</div></div>

I am acknowledgeing that the CIA was in Jamaica fomenting violence and using Jamaicans to accomplish destabilization regardless of political association.

You are the One saying that the eventide fire was set by PNP enforcers, I do not know that. You have provide eyewitness report and newspaper article to substantiate such a view. If that indeed be the case then it would be evidence that some PNP enforces where in the employ or in the least co-operating with CIA.

Yes I have provided proof to back up my statements that the CIA was in Jamaica, fomenting violence.




During the 1970s when the People's National Party administration, headed by Michael Manley, declared itself a democratic socialist government and damaged Jamaica's relations with America, <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">CIA agents were active in Jamaica, fuelling many political fires. </span></span>Some, operating as journalists, deliberately fed erroneous information to overseas media
Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz1sx1S3eJa

[Wahalla]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

Well Philips was a CIA asset... So must have been him then the only identified CIA asset in Jamaica. He never denied it....

So who else ??? these shadows of men....who are smarter than the rest...

The only thing that Dudley did that I can honestly say that I thought was good for Jamaica during his time as a minister was the removal of the stigma of Bastards.. That was done on his initiation......

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The average CIA agent more likely than not looks like the typical American, and the average CIA assest looks tends to look like the average local to the area where the operation is being conducted. Of course if needs be they may contract out work to individuals who are neither local or American.</div></div>

Ok thanks ....So from here on out I overstand you approach the original, yet to answered questions with the same degree of brevity....Am I correct?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am acknowledgeing that the CIA was in Jamaica fomenting violence and using Jamaicans to accomplish destabilization regardless of political association.</div></div>

So they were using the PNP thugs in the acts named in this thread ...you have admitted and now enforcing?
And the proof is?
The JLP thugs were they used in any violence?
What acts do you know?
When, where, how?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are the One saying that the eventide fire was set by PNP enforcers</div></div>
Yes and all of Jamaica Media then and now.
There has never been a time not once in any local reports that Eventide Fire was attributed to anyone but PNP thugs. As I told you before the main issue that the Comrades had with the Eventide Fire was that it reported in the media as a deliberate act done to burn out Labourites.

Their contention was that it was an internecine struggle within PNP aligned Gangs that resulted in an accidental fire. The last time I heard this put forward again was on Perkins Online in 2007. I have a tape of it somewhere.

I lived within walking distance of Eventide. Its a long walk but one that we took many days, from where we live you could see the smoke and maybe if that night was still could heat the wails of the ole peple roasting in the fiyah.
Trying to distort, lie and trivialize the wanton killings of Jamaicans does not make you a bigger man.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I have provided proof to back up my statements that the CIA was in Jamaica, fomenting violence.</div></div>

No you have not.
In the pages of postings I cannot find any such proof of this violence that the CIA created, funded and directed.
As to the <span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="color: #FF6600">Eventide Fire</span></span>......Still waiting for the questions on that to be answered?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Comrade Dudley Thompson is dead

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

During the 1970s when the People's National Party administration, headed by Michael Manley, declared itself a democratic socialist government and damaged Jamaica's relations with America, <span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">CIA agents were active in Jamaica, fuelling many political fires. </span></span>Some, operating as journalists, deliberately fed erroneous information to overseas media
Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...#ixzz1sx1S3eJa </div></div>

You do have a problem distinguishing ...<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">.opinion</span> from<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"> fact</span>.
There is zero proof in this article other than another rehashing of Comrade 70s Meme.
The irony (and I was going to get to this after we had the original matters settled), but you post here and Wahalla's put everything into focus and ties in nicely.

One gets the impression that the CIA had very close connections with the PNP in the late 60s, 70s, 80s and maintained those connection throughout.
According to your argument they were available for:

<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Eventide[*]Gold Street[*]Rema[*]Pearnel Charles[*]Mike Henry[*]State Of Emergency 1976[*]Spanish Town[*]Top Hill[*]August Town[*]Orange Lane[*]Green Bay[/list]

Now it seems they are available (at least to Peter Phillips, Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin, JDF/MIU and others in Jamaica State and Private Sectors), for the USA Drug War?

<span style="font-size: 14pt">Nice work if you can get it.....CIA</span>