New: One more time - should ganja be legalized?

[Wahalla]

No this argument is about ganja.

Exactly and simply saying something is harmful is not a scientific analysis. All things are harmful. Harm has to be quantifieed and compared. Only then can the descion be made rationally. What u have applied is the proof that u ascribed to religion. That is irrational, however understandable give u have admitted that u lack the training and qualification to compare the biochemistry of cannabis. To which ur reply was we are having a discussion make up ur mind.

I presented u with a number of papers in abstract some with full papers links which u willfully ignored, demonstrating the effcasy of various compounds isolated from cannabis or developed from its biochemistry. However as u have admitted u lack the scientific training to critically compare the data.

However by basic comparative analysis we can adjudging the additive nature, and the toxicity, the ameliorative properties not limitited to cannabis's alegesic, anti nausea,anti cancerous chemical propeties, ect. We factor in cannabis's side effects. Compare it to codine, ackee, paracetomol, ibupophen, potato's, even Viagra.

5 drugs are approved from cannabis yet u claim that it is anecdotal. Desipte being approved by authorties in the us, uk, new zealand....it is ancedotal.. Cannocol is a jamaican sucess Jamaican minds. Proven and confirmed by usage. So is Salavitex .
So the NHS is incopetent not to require test or did they approve them based on the Grandfather principle.? Either way it was a high burden of proof!

I suspect the reason why that patent exists is so the us can prevent the development of cheap drugs by third world countries and when they come to licence them in the US there will be difficulty. Because there is a body of work on cannabis that leads to the conclusion that its chemistry has remidiatve effects on the biochemistry associated with the conditions so described in the patent. Given then the proven lab studies it would be easy to extract and isolate the active agents. I suspect there are a number of such strategic patents associated with folk medicine may be in place.

Hippocrates, Galen, Ibn sena ie Avencena whom u dismissed, all prescribed cannabis or its extract for pain relief. All have been confirmed by the papers I presented.

The single reason y the opposition to cannabis for its medicinal and social benifits is bad laws.
Smoking causes cancer, free cannabis then develop a delivery system that limits this possible side effect is logical. Again I don't want it legalised because it will hurt Jamaica's pocket.

[Tropicana]

Great comments Vannie, can't do an exploration of those dynamics justice here. I have started a new thread:

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/showthread.php?77631-Rochester-Mammie-and-Other-Stereotypes-of-Yesteryear

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

Exactly and simply saying something is harmful is not a scientific analysis. All things are harmful. Harm has to be quantifieed and compared. Only then can the descion be made rationally. What u have applied is the proof that u ascribed to religion. That is irrational, however understandable give u have admitted that u lack the training and qualification to compare the biochemistry of cannabis. To which ur reply was we are having a discussion make up ur mind.

I presented u with a number of papers in abstract some with full papers links which u willfully ignored, demonstrating the effcasy of various compounds isolated from cannabis or developed from its biochemistry. However as u have admitted u lack the scientific training to critically compare the data.

However by basic comparative analysis we can adjudging the additive nature, and the toxicity, the ameliorative properties not limitited to cannabis's alegesic, anti nausea,anti cancerous chemical propeties, ect. We factor in cannabis's side effects. Compare it to codine, ackee, paracetomol, ibupophen, potato's, even Viagra.

5 drugs are approved from cannabis yet u claim that it is anecdotal. Desipte being approved by authorties in the us, uk, new zealand....it is ancedotal.. Cannocol is a jamaican sucess Jamaican minds. Proven and confirmed by usage. So is Salavitex .
So the NHS is incopetent not to require test or did they approve them based on the Grandfather principle.? Either way it was a high burden of proof!

I suspect the reason why that patent exists is so the us can prevent the development of cheap drugs by third world countries and when they come to licence them in the US there will be difficulty. Because there is a body of work on cannabis that leads to the conclusion that its chemistry has remidiatve effects on the biochemistry associated with the conditions so described in the patent. Given then the proven lab studies it would be easy to extract and isolate the active agents. I suspect there are a number of such strategic patents associated with folk medicine may be in place.

Hippocrates, Galen, Ibn sena ie Avencena whom u dismissed, all prescribed cannabis or its extract for pain relief. All have been confirmed by the papers I presented.

The single reason y the opposition to cannabis for its medicinal and social benifits is bad laws.
Smoking causes cancer, free cannabis then develop a delivery system that limits this possible side effect is logical. Again I don't want it legalised because it will hurt Jamaica's pocket.

ello Wahalla

wat a way Wahalla smart

[Tropicana]

there in lies the rub...ur arguing...u no tyad sometimes...juss tru u keep reposting no mean anyting new come about...sigh...u tire me sometimes, more dan I tire myself... any study is as good as the starting view of who do it...dem start out wid dem own agenda n di study gwine to support dat ..sigh......n y oh y u no blog to find out all the tings u now need to learn n spare me the repeat postings....mercy.....

Yes there are agendas but to dismiss science in favour of hearsay is really unbelievable in the 21st century. Have we not moved beyond the folk medicine and superstitions of some of our ancestors who did not have the benefit of our education? It boggles my mind.

Also, I notice that some of the very contributors to this discussion dismiss science when the results reveal problems with ganja are eager to share studies that have seemingly positive results about ganja. Me up onoo mind.

Even one of the studies Emperah posted supporting ganja (the patent actually which summarized results of studies) pointed out a number of problems with ganja and I highlighted them. It was by no means a blanket endorsement of ganja.

[Tropicana]

Exactly and simply saying something is harmful is not a scientific analysis.

I have posted numerous studies that demonstrate the harmful effects of ganja. I did not simply say "ganja has harmful effects".

All things are harmful.

Really, where you get that from boss?

Harm has to be quantifieed and compared. Only then can the descion be made rationally. What u have applied is the proof that u ascribed to religion.

What? Have you even ready what I posted. I have posted scientific studies and articles summarizing them. The discussion of "the Creator" in this discussion was not initiated by me.

That is irrational, however understandable give u have admitted that u lack the training and qualification to compare the biochemistry of cannabis. To which ur reply was we are having a discussion make up ur mind.

I presented u with a number of papers in abstract some with full papers links which u willfully ignored, demonstrating the effcasy of various compounds isolated from cannabis or developed from its biochemistry. However as u have admitted u lack the scientific training to critically compare the data.

You presented abstracts not access to studies. I said that I would look at them when I had time. At no time did I say that I did not have the scientific training to critically compare the data. I will glean what I can out of them. I have willfully ignored nothing. The format in which you presented the data will take time to examine. I do not have a sugar daddy paying my bills. I have to earn my keep. I will look at them when I have the time to delve into them.

However by basic comparative analysis we can adjudging the additive nature, and the toxicity, the ameliorative properties not limitited to cannabis's alegesic, anti nausea,anti cancerous chemical propeties, ect. We factor in cannabis's side effects. Compare it to codine, ackee, paracetomol, ibupophen, potato's, even Viagra.

That is what YOU are attempting to do to make this argument ridiculous....codeine, paracetomol, ibupophen, Viagra for sure but bringing in potatoes and ackee is just being ridiculous.

5 drugs are approved from cannabis yet u claim that it is anecdotal.

In Jamaica....in fact I was the one who posted that information. At NO time did I claim that was anecdotal....

Desipte being approved by authorties in the us, uk, new zealand....it is ancedotal..

...and RichD wonders why I need to post in large font. At no time did I say that the scientific studies were anecdotal. I referred to people sharing their personal experiences and those of other individuals as anecdotl and you know it.

Cannocol is a jamaican sucess Jamaican minds. Proven and confirmed by usage. So is Salavitex .

Yet no other researchers have been able to replicate the results why? If it is so proven as you put it, why are they not FDA approved?

So the NHS is incopetent not to require test or did they approve them based on the Grandfather principle.? Either way it was a high burden of proof!

Many drugs are tested in Jamaica and when they have been proved to have minimal harmful effects, they are then deemed worthy of being tested on White people. I gave the examples of depo provera and the early sickle cell research.

I suspect the reason why that patent exists is so the us can prevent the development of cheap drugs by third world countries and when they come to licence them in the US there will be difficulty. Because there is a body of work on cannabis that leads to the conclusion that its chemistry has remidiatve effects on the biochemistry associated with the conditions so described in the patent. Given then the proven lab studies it would be easy to extract and isolate the active agents. I suspect there are a number of such strategic patents associated with folk medicine may be in place.

Patent was applied for in 1999 and approved in 2001. Even the patent documentation identified harmful effects of ganja. 12 years later if the cannoids were SO great...why have they not been FDA approved?

Hippocrates, Galen, Ibn sena ie Avencena whom u dismissed, all prescribed cannabis or its extract for pain relief. All have been confirmed by the papers I presented.

And physicians used to prescribe leeches from their gardens...so what is your point?

The single reason y the opposition to cannabis for its medicinal and social benifits is bad laws.

Disagree. The benefits have not been proven.

Smoking causes cancer, free cannabis then develop a delivery system that limits this possible side effect is logical. Again I don't want it legalised because it will hurt Jamaica's pocket.

Smoking was approved before the harmful effects were realized. Authorities have tried to clamp down on cigarette consumption by imposing taxes, making illegal to sell them to minors, instituting smoking bans, banning advertising and sponsorships by tobacco companies, and posting graphic photos of the harmful effects on the packages.

If it were up to me, I would ban them outright. I am not that powerful.

[Wahalla]

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by Wahalla All things are harmful.Really, where you get that from boss?[/QUOTE]

It is a standard basic scientific principal...the formal concept the toxicity bell curve....which I had previously explained....

as for this...

You presented abstracts not access to studies. I said that I would look at them when I had time. At no time did I say that I did not have the scientific training to critically compare the data.

Abstracts are a brief summary of the paper that describes the content methods and the conclusions .... that I presented them and u dismissed them as un reliable and ur veiled comment any one can write anything when I gave a list of scientific papers was disingenuous, but more importantly a demonstration of a singular lack of scientific skills .....ur comment ....

I am not a biochemist....

alone means the data that each of these papers contained are an esoteric to you...

Patent was applied for in 1999 and approved in 2001. Even the patent documentation identified harmful effects of ganja. 12 years later if the cannoids were SO great...why have they not been FDA approved?

By this if there is a drug derived from Cannabis then it would be great.....

Then here are three approved for used in

Nablilone.. approved for use in the US....used for nausea associated with ChemoApproved for use in the US (1985), United Kingdom and Australia (1982), Canada (1981)On May 15, 2006, the FDA approved safety labeling revisions for nabilone (Cesamet 1-mg capsules) to advise of warnings and precautions related to its use in the treatment of chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting. This is based on Cannabis chemistry.....


CANASOL... used in the CAnada, UK, Europe for Glycoma treatment
MARINOL ANTI NAUSEA AND APPITIET ENHANCED approved by the FDA... See their appendix BFDA approved in US as Schedule I drug for appetite stimulation (1992) and for nausea (1985); moved to Schedule III effective July 2, 1999 Approved in Denmark for multiple sclerosis (Sep. 2003) Approved in Canada for AIDS-related anorexia (Apr. 2000) and for nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy (1988)


SATIVEX APPROVED IN KANADA FOR PAIN RELIEF..Approved and launched in the UK on June 21, 2010, making it the first cannabis-based prescription medicine in the world (rescheduled from Schedule 1 to Schedule 4 on Apr. 10, 2013). Licensed to Bayer in the UK and to Almirall in Europe. Approved to treat spasticity caused by multiple sclerosis in Spain (July 28, 2010), Canada (Aug. 31, 2010), Czech Republic (Apr. 15, 2011), Denmark (June 8, 2011), Germany (July 4, 2011), Sweden (Dec. 22, 2011), Austria (Feb. 7, 2012), and Italy (May 7, 2013). In the US, Phase III clinical trials started in late 2006 for treatment of pain in cancer patients (recruitment expected to be completed by the end of 2013). On Apr. 20, 2011, a US patent was granted for Sativex in cancer pain.

Dronabinol ::::::

I content that the effects of caffeine are more onerous that that of Cannabis..it is more addictive, more toxic and does more damage.. Thus if cannabis is banned so should chocolate, coffeee and tea...

Ur claim that the concept of potatoes and ackee are posionous being ridiculous was done without even looking at the previous references I gave... ..
all Jamaicans know this.....

EATING ACKEE KILLS MORE PEOPLE THAN consuming CANNABIS.....ACKEE IS POISONOUS. from a personal perspective, i dont eat ackee unless I know the person who picks it off the tree.....u are not supposed to eat ackee in rainy season.. that is a Jamaican tradition...anecdotal and now forgotten.. like children below 10 should be limited to ackee consumption....

here is a news report..http://www.nationnews.com/articles/v...kee-poisoning/ about what happened 2 years ago... here http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...ientName=ACKEE from the website u supplied.. but the fact u need sun and any red left in the ackee is potentially letal is not mentioned....

FRYING POTATOES PRODUCES ACRYLAMIDES..which are posionious. POTATOES naturally CONTAIN SOLANMINE WHICH IS A GLYCOALKALOID.. WHICH IS POSIONIOUS.. potatoes are part of the night shade family.....potatoes that are stored and go green should not be consumed.....

Potatoes are more toxic than cannabis....
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...OTATO&source=2.. again this is incomplete....

again I wont present the myriad of papers on acrylamides....

http://www.endowmentmed.org/content/view/890/106/

I wont even go on about bananas.....

the concept of comparative analytic approach ...is cannabis toxic....? is potato toxic ? is ackee toxic ? Cannabis is the least toxic yet it is banned.

As for snide comment being equally dismissive of leeches based...... Ancient medicines that worked. including leeches are now proven to have benefit... Alot of these were ignored because penicillin was developed... I know any one can make this ****e up...

... there is a scientific basis for the use of leeches and has made a come back in micro surgery....when a leech bites, it injects its saliva which thins the blood. the chemical is akin to hirudin if memory serves me correctly... ..what ti does enhances the blood flow allowing the white blood cells to flow easier around the body. The leech sucks blood reduces the amount of blood lowing blood pressure, the thinning of the blood lowers blood pressure... allowing blood to flow makes the clearing of toxins to the kidney and liver... it has the additional effect of also increasing the patient thirst which if u drink water, water allows the kidney and liver to function better... Leeches are used now based on these principles in organ replacement surgery, less dangerous than conventional chemicals with fewer side effects. as well as when an amputated member is reattached it is attached at the end of the member and the sucking action of the leech draws blood.... .. there was a study on aids patitents that I did not follow... But if u are ill and the simple increased flow of blood round the body enhances the body self healing properties....rather than accumulate round the peterbed area... thus a leech would have a postive effect on heart problems, osteoarthritis, migraines and possible period pains... a list of page..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=8479316

But more

Abstract

Hirudotherapy is a treatment using medicinal leeches. Hirudo medicinali, have been used to treat patients for centuries. In the past, leeches have proved to be an effective treatment for a number of conditions including battle wound treatment. Currently leeches may be used to assist in the treatment of abscesses, arthritis, glaucoma, myasthenia gravis, thrombosis and some venous disorders. Medical leeches may also be used in plastic surgery and in some blood circulatory problems. During feeding, leeches secrete a complex mixture of different biologically and pharmacologically active substances into the wound. Hirudin is the prominent constituent of leech saliva. It is sometimes used to describe all the active constituents in the leech saliva. This paper outlines the potential use of leech therapy in current medical care in India.


Medicinal leech therapy (hirudotherapy): a brief overview.

Singh AP.
Source

Sri Dhanwantry Ayurvedic College, Department of Dravyaguna, Chandigarh, India. [email protected]

Would not be surprised if the yankis have a patent on the derivatives of leech saliva....as they have for Sativa...







As for spider weds to treat fresh wounds... most spiderwebs have a chemical that stuns fly insects, which are anti bacterial as well as mild local .

Moss packed into wounds contains asprin an alergicic..... it also contains natural bactericides ....(asprin is more toxic than mj so maybe we should ban it!!!)

maggots into infected wounds.. eats the corruption and not the clean flesh....

The idea that only the last century has any value....dismissing the value of a lot of proven traditional appproach

[Xavier]

Legalize it...there are so many benefits

[Wahalla]

Legalize it...there are so many benefits

No dont... ban all things that does harm...!!!!!! no more HC, pesticides, biocides, potatos, transoil, ... just keep cannabis illegal...

I want to know who on here has ever indulged in a draw ? I have... i dont like the smell... i have drank the tea, eaten it with callaloo and fried pork....

[Tropicana]

It is a standard basic scientific principal...the formal concept the toxicity bell curve....which I had previously explained....

T he formal concept the toxicity bell curve does not mean that all substances are harmful.

Abstracts are a brief summary of the paper that describes the content methods and the conclusions .... that I presented them and u dismissed them as un reliable and ur veiled comment any one can write

No I did not dismiss them. I said I will review them when I have time. It is not the type of material to which one gives just a cursory glance and the list was extensive.

This is the 4th time I am saying this...do I truly have to write in large font every time I communicate with you.

If you wanted a quick review and response, the material you presented would have been in a format that could be quickly reviewed. It wasn't. When I have time I will get to it.

By this if there is a drug derived from Cannabis then it would be great.....

Then here are three approved for used in

Nablilone.. approved for use in the US....used for nausea associated with Chemo

Approved for use in the US (1985), United Kingdom and Australia (1982), Canada (1981)On May 15, 2006, the FDA approved safety labeling revisions for nabilone (Cesamet 1-mg capsules) to advise of warnings and precautions related to its use in the treatment of chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting. This is based on Cannabis chemistry.....


CANASOL... used in the CAnada, UK, Europe for Glycoma treatment
MARINOL ANTI NAUSEA AND APPITIET ENHANCED approved by the FDA... See their appendix BFDA approved in US as Schedule I drug for appetite stimulation (1992) and for nausea (1985); moved to Schedule III effective July 2, 1999 Approved in Denmark for multiple sclerosis (Sep. 2003) Approved in Canada for AIDS-related anorexia (Apr. 2000) and for nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy (1988)


SATIVEX APPROVED IN KANADA FOR PAIN RELIEF..Approved and launched in the UK on June 21, 2010, making it the first cannabis-based prescription medicine in the world (rescheduled from Schedule 1 to Schedule 4 on Apr. 10, 2013). Licensed to Bayer in the UK and to Almirall in Europe. Approved to treat spasticity caused by multiple sclerosis in Spain (July 28, 2010), Canada (Aug. 31, 2010), Czech Republic (Apr. 15, 2011), Denmark (June 8, 2011), Germany (July 4, 2011), Sweden (Dec. 22, 2011), Austria (Feb. 7, 2012), and Italy (May 7, 2013). In the US, Phase III clinical trials started in late 2006 for treatment of pain in cancer patients (recruitment expected to be completed by the end of 2013). On Apr. 20, 2011, a US patent was granted for Sativex in cancer pain.

Dronabinol ::::::

Will look into this.

[Tropicana]

Legalize it...there are so many benefits

And what about the negative effects both physiologically and on society. Have you seen the impact on The Netherlands since they partially legalized it? They have had to wheel and come back and put restrictions on access by tourists due to the problems limited legalization through cafes was causing. Trafficking is still illegal so the status of those who supply the cafes is a grey area in The Netherlands at the moment. It is legal for the cafes to sell it but it is illegal for the suppliers to supply it. Go figure.




De hawse not dead yet.

[Tropicana]

I content that the effects of caffeine are more onerous that that of Cannabis..it is more addictive, more toxic and does more damage.. Thus if cannabis is banned so should chocolate, coffeee and tea...

This has not been proven.

Ur claim that the concept of potatoes and ackee are posionous being ridiculous was done without even looking at the previous references I gave... ..

all Jamaicans know this.....

EATING ACKEE KILLS MORE PEOPLE THAN consuming CANNABIS.....ACKEE IS POISONOUS. from a personal perspective, i dont eat ackee unless I know the person who picks it off the tree.....u are not supposed to eat ackee in rainy season.. that is a Jamaican tradition...anecdotal and now forgotten.. like children below 10 should be limited to ackee consumption....

here is a news report..http://www.nationnews.com/articles/v...kee-poisoning/ about what happened 2 years ago... here http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...ientName=ACKEE from the website u supplied.. but the fact u need sun and any red left in the ackee is potentially letal is not mentioned....

FRYING POTATOES PRODUCES ACRYLAMIDES..which are posionious. POTATOES naturally CONTAIN SOLANMINE WHICH IS A GLYCOALKALOID.. WHICH IS POSIONIOUS.. potatoes are part of the night shade family.....potatoes that are stored and go green should not be consumed.....

Potatoes are more toxic than cannabis....
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...OTATO&source=2.. again this is incomplete....

again I wont present the myriad of papers on acrylamides....

http://www.endowmentmed.org/content/view/890/106/

I wont even go on about bananas.....

This is just plain silly I am not going to discuss ackee, bannas or potatoes.

the concept of comparative analytic approach ...is cannabis toxic....? is potato toxic ? is ackee toxic ? Cannabis is the least toxic yet it is banned.

Cannabis is banned not just for toxicity as I have already discussed.

As for snide comment being equally dismissive of leeches based...... Ancient medicines that worked. including leeches are now proven to have benefit... Alot of these were ignored because penicillin was developed... I know any one can make this ****e up.....

there is a scientific basis for the use of leeches and has made a come back in micro surgery....when a leech bites, it injects its saliva which thins the blood. the chemical is akin to hirudin if memory serves me correctly... ..what ti does enhances the blood flow allowing the white blood cells to flow easier around the body. The leech sucks blood reduces the amount of blood lowing blood pressure, the thinning of the blood lowers blood pressure... allowing blood to flow makes the clearing of toxins to the kidney and liver... it has the additional effect of also increasing the patient thirst which if u drink water, water allows the kidney and liver to function better... Leeches are used now based on these principles in organ replacement surgery, less dangerous than conventional chemicals with fewer side effects. as well as when an amputated member is reattached it is attached at the end of the member and the sucking action of the leech draws blood.... .. there was a study on aids patitents that I did not follow... But if u are ill and the simple increased flow of blood round the body enhances the body self healing properties....rather than accumulate round the peterbed area... thus a leech would have a postive effect on heart problems, osteoarthritis, migraines and possible period pains... a list of page...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=8479316

But more

Abstract

Hirudotherapy is a treatment using medicinal leeches. Hirudo medicinali, have been used to treat patients for centuries. In the past, leeches have proved to be an effective treatment for a number of conditions including battle wound treatment. Currently leeches may be used to assist in the treatment of abscesses, arthritis, glaucoma, myasthenia gravis, thrombosis and some venous disorders. Medical leeches may also be used in plastic surgery and in some blood circulatory problems. During feeding, leeches secrete a complex mixture of different biologically and pharmacologically active substances into the wound. Hirudin is the prominent constituent of leech saliva. It is sometimes used to describe all the active constituents in the leech saliva. This paper outlines the potential use of leech therapy in current medical care in India.


Medicinal leech therapy (hirudotherapy): a brief overview.

Singh AP.
Source

Sri Dhanwantry Ayurvedic College, Department of Dravyaguna, Chandigarh, India. [email protected]

Oh now you are just really being beyond ridiculous it you are going to tout the benefits of leeches. I supposed you are going to also propose that we bring back lobotomies and craniology.

As for spider weds to treat fresh wounds... most spiderwebs have a chemical that stuns fly insects, which are anti bacterial as well as mild local .

Moss packed into wounds contains asprin an alergicic..... it also contains natural bactericides ....(asprin is more toxic than mj so maybe we should ban it!!!)

maggots into infected wounds.. eats the corruption and not the clean flesh....

Oh so you also wish to bring spider webs, moss and maggots into modern treatment.

Wahalla, if you are not going to have a serious discussion, there is no point in discussing anything with you.

Happy to discuss anything of substance with you but if you are going to descend into the realm of the absurd, I really don't have time for that.

The idea that only the last century has any value....dismissing the value of a lot of proven traditional appproach

Definitely some modern treatments and medicines were derived from traditional but that does not mean that all or even most traditional methods were valid.

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

Legalize it...there are so many benefits

riddim up!

[Wahalla]

Oh now you are just really being beyond ridiculous it you are going to tout the benefits of leeches.

Again I present u with a premis, a mechanism on the benefits of leeches and a list of credible sources all u can say ridiculous including Surgeon General of the US and FDA. Any circulatory issue will be alliviated by the use of leeches..... But ti is ridiculous just like the medicinal benefit of cannabis...



The NHS in the UK buys 50000 leeches a year at 10 pounds a leech...hardly ridiculous....skin grafts are made more effective by the use of leeches...Again proven but dismissed in your universe...

But 4 proven drugs based on the pharmacology of cannabis..And a possible ten more that the pharmacology of Canabis including its absrobtion path ways...... .in the next 5 years there will be a more and more drugs will be developed I predicted based on what I know is being developed by various drug companies....

This is just plain silly I am not going to discuss ackee, bannas or potatoes.

No dont.. just ignore it.....they are dangerous...., more so than cannabis but they are legal ...Just ignore the evidence...

Oh so you also wish to bring spider webs, moss and maggots into modern treatment.

again u are missing the point....

Here is a basic case of their efficacy... http://web.archive.org/web/200709290...hoevaerdts.pdf

My point is that u dismissed Cannabis traditional therapy in line with the use of leeches. when I used the work of Galen, Hippocrates and Avecina as support u dismissively compared it to leeches, but now I have demonstrated that leeches has a basis of science.... I demonstrated that both have theraputic efficasies... .


I presented modern evidence that demonstrates that not only cannabis has modern application as therapy...and leech therapy has confirmed validity, maggots for wound cleaning.... Sphagrum moss is like cannabis in terms of its complex chemistry, it has germocidal properties and will be the next step forward in drug bio chemistry... The university of Friedberg is doing exciting research.....

Cannabis is a mood altering drug..it use a personal choice.. its use is safe from a public health perspective...Even the evidence u post as to its negative impact on mental health stress that there has to be a prexisting conditon.. it is less toxic....than

Michelhouse a drug rehabilitations rates center rates addictive substances in the following order ..

Nicotine, caffeine, heroin, cocaine, alcohol as the 5 most additive substances... three of which are legal.. Cannabis which is less addictive than TV or video games is illegal.... illogical!

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

[My Looh]

I have not read the entire thread because I am at work.

But which product has killed the largest percentage of its users.

- Ganja
- Alcohol
- Sugar
- Salt
- Automobiles
- Agricultural pesticides and herbicides

Which is the only substance that is illegal in most of the west?

Nuff said!