New: One more time - should ganja be legalized?

[Wahalla]

compared to Melatonin...again from that WDmed
RED YEAST RICE (RED YEAST) SIDE EFFECTS & SAFETY

Red yeast is POSSIBLY SAFE for most people when taken by mouth for up to 3 months. There isn't enough information to know if taking it for longer periods is safe. It can cause stomach discomfort, heartburn, intestinal gas, headache, and dizziness.

Red yeast contains chemicals similar to the prescription drugs called "statins." Therefore, red yeast might also cause side effects similar to statin drugs, such asliver damage and severe muscle pain and muscle damage.

There is also concern about product quality. Many red yeast rice products have been found to contain varying amounts of the statin-like chemicals. Some products may contain none and others may contain high amounts, which are more likely to cause serious side effects.

Serious allergic reactions can occur after breathing in red yeast.

Red yeast that is not fermented correctly may contain citrinin. Citrinin is a poison that may cause kidney damage.
Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Red yeast is LIKELY UNSAFE during pregnancy. It has caused birth defects in animals. Not enough is known about the safety of using red yeast during breast-feeding. Don’t use during pregnancy or breast-feeding.

[kia027]

As for suppliments...
JAPANESE APRICOT

JAPANESE APRICOT SIDE EFFECTS & SAFETY
Special Precautions & Warnings:
Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of Japanese apricot during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Surgery: Japanese apricot might slow blood clotting. There is some concern that it might increase the risk of bleeding during and after surgery. Stop using Japanese apricot at least 2 weeks before a scheduled surgery.
MELATONIN SIDE EFFECTS & SAFETY
Melatonin is LIKELY SAFE for most adults when taken by mouth short-term or applied to the skin. It can cause some side effects including headache, short-term feelings of depression, daytime sleepiness, dizziness, stomach cramps, and irritability. Do not drive or use machinery for four to five hours after taking melatonin.
Special Precautions & Warnings:

Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Melatonin is POSSIBLY UNSAFE in pregnancy. Don’t use it. Melatonin might also interfere with ovulation, making it more difficult to become pregnant.

Not enough is known about the safety of using melatonin when breast-feeding. It’s best not to use it.

Children: Melatonin should not be used in most children. It is POSSIBLY UNSAFE. Because of its effects on other hormones, melatonin might interfere with development during adolescence.

High blood pressure: Melatonin can raise blood pressure in people who are taking certain medications to control blood pressure. Avoid using it.

Diabetes: Melatonin might increase blood sugar in people with diabetes. Monitor your blood sugar carefully, if you have diabetes and take melatonin.

Depression: Melatonin can make symptoms of depression worse.
Seizure disorders: Using melatonin might increase the risk of having a seizure.

really?

[Tropicana]

Many pharmaceutical drugs have side effects. That is a WHOLE other discussion. We are talking specifically about ganja here.

If you start another thread about drug side effects or the pharmaceutical company, happy to look at what is posted about the pharmaceutical industry, the search for blockbusters, the impact of patent legislation changes (i.e. generic versions of drugs can be released much earlier than before with the result that drug companies are releasing drugs more quickly with less testing), side effects, etc. I think this is all common knowledge though. One only to listen to a US drug ad and hear the long list of side effects that they are compelled by law to include to clue in.

[Wahalla]

Many pharmaceutical drugs have side effects. That is a WHOLE other discussion. We are talking specifically about ganja here.

If you start another thread about drug side effects or the pharmaceutical company, happy to look at what is posted about the pharmaceutical industry, the search for blockbusters, the impact of patent legislation changes (i.e. generic versions of drugs can be released much earlier than before with the result that drug companies are releasing drugs more quickly with less testing), side effects, etc. I think this is all common knowledge though. One only to listen to a US drug ad and hear the long list of side effects that they are compelled by law to include to clue in.

It is a public forum and it is at the very heart of this argument.. This is ur standard evasion of trying not to look at an issue from a moral or ethical perspective. that is not the issue.. make another thread... No that is the central issue... Marijuana has been banned based on hegemonic Anglo American philosophy that ignored the social practices of most of the world


When I pointed that last point out to u u simply ignored it all drugs are harmful u simply ignored . now as the sand of illusion is shifted from an opnion based on a lie u bring that up...

my very obvious point from the very beginning is that the side effects of Marijuana are less than commonly used pharmaceuticals as well as being less toxic than a number of commonly eaten foods. Given that then thus the basis for it being illegal is illogical. How can a compound that is less toxic less harmful with lower side effects be banned while there are literally thousands that are more harmful that are not _? And is by all intents and purposes less addictive than sucrose or cooking fat....does less harm than drinking coke or diet coke...

ever notice that I mentioned delivery systems... Noone has ever studied the effect of smoking through a water pipe as opposed to via cigarette....or looked in detail at the difference is synergistical effect of smoking in combination with tobacco...




smoking a clalwa in a social setting is nice.. the poetry of harmony one feels.. the way the mind slows ad intensifies the world and each emotion....



We have not even discussed the harm of Nicotinoid peacticides, organochlorides and organophosphates.. fertilizers which are even more toxic once bio accumulated and are not banned... The basic physician coda "First do no harm" cannot be applied to any food or supplement. So Y to cannabis in a social setting ?

My favourite sugar substitute ... Aspartenes side effects....but it is not banned... but cannabis is ????

In an epidemiological survey which appeared in the Journal of
Applied Nutrition (Roberts 1988), 551 persons who have
reported toxicity effects from aspartame ingestion were
surveyed. The adverse effects found cover a subset of reported
acute and chronic toxicity effects from aspartame.
What follows is a listing of the adverse health effects
which were found.

-------------------
# of
people (%)
Eye
- Decreased vision and/or other eye problems 140 (25%)
(blurring, "bright flashes," tunnel vision)
- Pain (or or both eyes) 51 (9%)
- Decreased tears, trouble with contact lens, 46 (8%)
or both
- Blindness (one or both eyes) 14 (3%)

Ear
- Tinnitus ("ringing," "buzzing") 73 (13%)
- Severe intolerance for noise 47 (9%)
- Marked impairment of hearing 25 (5%)

Neurologic
- Headaches 249 (45%)
- Dizziness, unsteadiness, or both 217 (39%)
- Confusion, memory loss, or both 157 (29%)
- Severe drowsiness and sleepiness 93 (17%)
- Paresthesias ("pins and needles," "tingling") 82 (15%)
or numbness of the limbs
- Convulsions (grand mal epileptic attacks) 80 (15%)
- Petit mal attacks and "absences" 18 (3%)
- Severe slurring of speech 64 (12%)
- Severe tremors 51 (9%)
- Severe "hyperactivity" and "restless legs" 43 (8%)
- Atypical facial pain 38 (7%)

Psychologic-Psychiatric
- Severe depression 139 (25%)
- "Extreme irritability" 125 (23%)
- "Severe anixiety attacks" 105 (19%)
- "Marked personality changes" 88 (16%)
- Recent "severe insomnia" 76 (14%)
- "Severe aggravation of phobias" 41 (7%)

Chest
- Palpitations, tachycardia (rapid heart action), 88 (16%)
of both
- "Shortness of breath" 54 (10%)
- Atypical chest pain 44 (8%)
- Recent hypertension (high blood pressure) 34 (6%)

Gastrointestinal
- Nausea 79 (14%)
- Diarrhea 70 (13%)
Associated gross blood in the stools (12)
- Abdominal pain 70 (13%)
- Pain on swallowing 28 (5%)

Skin and Allergies
- Severe itching without a rash 44 (8%)
- Severe lip and mouth reactions 29 (5%)
- Urticaria (hives) 25 (5%)
- Other eruptions 48 (9%)
- Aggravation of respiratory allergies 10 (2%)

Endocrine and Metabolic
- Problems with diabetes: loss of control; 60 (11%)
precipitation of clinical diabetes;
aggravation or simulation of diabetic
complications
- Menstrual changes 45 (6%)
Severe reduction or cessation of periods (22)
- Paradoxic weight gain 34 (5%)
- Marked weight loss 26 (6%)
- Marked thinning or loss of the hair 32 (6%)
- Aggravated hypoglycemia (low blood sugar 25 (5%)
attacks)

Other
- Frequency of voiding (day and night), burning 69 (13%)
on urination (dysuria), or both
- Excessive thirst 65 (12%)
- Severe joint pains 58 (11%)
- "Bloat" 57 (10%)
- Fluid retention and leg swelling 20 (4%)
- Increased susceptibility to infection 7 (1%)

[Tropicana]

No this argument is about ganja.

[Emperah]

Wahalla again is correct, you've avoided everyting ppl have brought bout how certain tings are more harmful but are legal, yet you still support them over ganja which is more harmless den all a dem.

[Emperah]

No you are not...you don't even believe in God not sure what you even mean when you use the word Creator. You have yet to explain why people should not ingest poison ivy as ....the way you put it was...everyting have use. You also yet to clarify the benefits and the purose of the mosquito. The purpose of the earthworm is clear.... but not the mosquito.

This is one of the most ignorant statement you have made.
How de grasscyaat yuh kno wah mi nuh bleev in? Because i don't believe in your god and your worship of man? If you really don't know what I or anyone means when they say Creator then you are truly lost.
You think everyone else is lost and you are alright, but really all you have shown is your preference to things of man and not of God.
You bow dung and worship a concept handed down to us by ppl who hated us and took us out of our homeland. you hold everything they gave you close to your chest. You look to them for scientific knowldege.
You trust what they say over what the spirit says (if you can hear it which i doubt cause is man tings yuh move pan all de while)

you mek a poas bout de mosquito which is pure fawt caz you didn't create de mosquito, you didn't create Cannabis, you didn't create a cow or fowl, so you or any scientist can never have de full overstanding of what you didn't create
You keep bringing up de foolishness bout poison ivy because i say everything created by what you call God is good for something. But in your feeble mind you can't see that there could be anything good about it, sameting yuh duh wid dis topic.
It as if you think God is a fool and man is more wise. Your biggest ting is bout how blk women cyaan get certain rolls on tv like dis have anyting fi duh wid de price ile in saudi arabia. You believe u really believe and serve God, but it is more like yuh believe and serve a god. A god like the ones u church ppl diss the egyptians over, but since yt ppl tell yuh bout god yuh believe yuh have de right one but do not see how bounded you are to certain tings.

Anyhow gwaan run wid yuh tings dem, mi really hope yuh wake up to the true reality of what The Creator is and what you're here for. i don't thing he gives a rats batty bout de nex reality show are blk women and men making fools a demself pan tv ar film.

[Tropicana]

This is one of the most ignorant statement you have made.
How de grasscyaat yuh kno wah mi nuh bleev in? Because i don't believe in your god and your worship of man?

Only going by statements you have made.

If you really don't know what I or anyone means when they say Creator then you are truly lost.

I know what Creator means..not sure what YOU mean by Creator.

You think everyone else is lost and you are alright, but really all you have shown is your preference to things of man and not of God.

You bow dung and worship a concept handed down to us by ppl who hated us and took us out of our homeland. you hold everything they gave you close to your chest. You look to them for scientific knowldege.

Not at all, read your history books, the Bible was not written by Europeans and yes scenitific knowledge is important and the last I checked it has no colour. Why do you see colour in everything?

You trust what they say over what the spirit says (if you can hear it which i doubt cause is man tings yuh move pan all de while)

Not the same spirit you are talking about.

you mek a poas bout de mosquito which is pure fawt caz you didn't create de mosquito, you didn't create Cannabis, you didn't create a cow or fowl, so you or any scientist can never have de full overstanding of what you didn't create

You keep bringing up de foolishness bout poison ivy because i say everything created by what you call God is good for something. But in your feeble mind you can't see that there could be anything good about it, sameting yuh duh wid dis topic.

You said that everything is good for something and has a purpose and I asked you about the mosquito and poison ivy..you never answered it ....said you didn't know so I researched it for you.

Hey what happened to my mosquito thread? Surely a discussion of mosquitos and poison ivy does not violate board rules.

It as if you think God is a fool and man is more wise.

Where did I ever say that?

Your biggest ting is bout how blk women cyaan get certain rolls on tv like dis have anyting fi duh wid de price ile in saudi arabia.

Yes that is an important issue but only one of the many important issues.

You believe u really believe and serve God, but it is more like yuh believe and serve a god. A god like the ones u church ppl diss the egyptians over, but since yt ppl tell yuh bout god yuh believe yuh have de right one but do not see how bounded you are to certain tings.

Once again the Bible was not written by White people.

Anyhow gwaan run wid yuh tings dem, mi really hope yuh wake up to the true reality of what The Creator is and what you're here for. i don't thing he gives a rats batty bout de nex reality show are blk women and men making fools a demself pan tv ar film.

Newsflash...God cares about every aspect of of life.

If you don't think Black people getting roles on TV is important, you have a very short memory. It is not that long ago when Black people were hardly on TV or in magazines period. I guess you would be happy turning the calendar back to when Rochestah prevailed...what an embarrassment.

[evanovitch]

No this argument is about ganja.

there in lies the rub...ur arguing...u no tyad sometimes...juss tru u keep reposting no mean anyting new come about...sigh...u tire me sometimes, more dan I tire myself... any study is as good as the starting view of who do it...dem start out wid dem own agenda n di study gwine to support dat ..sigh......n y oh y u no blog to find out all the tings u now need to learn n spare me the repeat postings....mercy.....

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

This is one of the most ignorant statement you have made.
How de grasscyaat yuh kno wah mi nuh bleev in? Because i don't believe in your god and your worship of man? If you really don't know what I or anyone means when they say Creator then you are truly lost.
You think everyone else is lost and you are alright, but really all you have shown is your preference to things of man and not of God.
You bow dung and worship a concept handed down to us by ppl who hated us and took us out of our homeland. you hold everything they gave you close to your chest. You look to them for scientific knowldege.
You trust what they say over what the spirit says (if you can hear it which i doubt cause is man tings yuh move pan all de while)

you mek a poas bout de mosquito which is pure fawt caz you didn't create de mosquito, you didn't create Cannabis, you didn't create a cow or fowl, so you or any scientist can never have de full overstanding of what you didn't create
You keep bringing up de foolishness bout poison ivy because i say everything created by what you call God is good for something. But in your feeble mind you can't see that there could be anything good about it, sameting yuh duh wid dis topic.
It as if you think God is a fool and man is more wise. Your biggest ting is bout how blk women cyaan get certain rolls on tv like dis have anyting fi duh wid de price ile in saudi arabia. You believe u really believe and serve God, but it is more like yuh believe and serve a god. A god like the ones u church ppl diss the egyptians over, but since yt ppl tell yuh bout god yuh believe yuh have de right one but do not see how bounded you are to certain tings.

Anyhow gwaan run wid yuh tings dem, mi really hope yuh wake up to the true reality of what The Creator is and what you're here for. i don't thing he gives a rats batty bout de nex reality show are blk women and men making fools a demself pan tv ar film.

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

there in lies the rub...ur arguing...u no tyad sometimes...juss tru u keep reposting no mean anyting new come about...sigh...u tire me sometimes, more dan I tire myself... any study is as good as the starting view of who do it...dem start out wid dem own agenda n di study gwine to support dat ..sigh......n y oh y u no blog to find out all the tings u now need to learn n spare me the repeat postings....mercy.....

[evanovitch]

Rochestah prevailed...

u do know dat u missed the otherside of the coin in that show....the fact that the whites were unable to cope sans the blacks not to mention the irony of despising someone based on their race even as u relied on them for ur basic n intimate survival...and of course u miss the repartee on the part of Rochester...he gave as good as he got in conversation...sigh....nothing shameful about Rochester...the shame lies with n on the part of the whites who had this ****ed up thinking...don't...black fetching n stepping showed how insecure white people really were in that they chose to believe that people were kowtowing instead of mekking fools of them the whites....

[Tropicana]

Wahalla again is correct, you've avoided everyting ppl have brought bout how certain tings are more harmful but are legal, yet you still support them over ganja which is more harmless den all a dem.

Support? Other than acknowledging that that drugs have side effects (which is not news to anyone) and acknowledging that the pharmaceutical industry has issues, I have made no comments whatsoever about side effects of legal pharmaceutical drugs or food substances. So how can you say I support....

I do not see any of those comments as anything more than tangentially relevant this discussion. The discussion of the pharmaceutical industry is a whole other and very deep discussion in and of itself.

You just seem to have a bee in your bonnet about ganja and will support it no matter what anybody says. I can't believe that an intelligent person would dismiss scientific evidence and accept hearsay and urban myths.

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

Wrong again!
evidence has been put forth by many others bout alcohol and big pharma medicine, tylenol is a good one, which is not safe and kills many ppl every year, yet yuh cyaan bring any case weh ganja kill anybody.
You are on the side of man. i am on the side of The Creator
Maybe yuh should wrap up a draw fi clear yuh head

[Fancy DatdamnDiva]

Support? Other than acknowledging that that drugs have side effects (which is not news to anyone) and acknowledging that the pharmaceutical industry has issues, I have made no comments whatsoever about side effects of legal pharmaceutical drugs or food substances. So how can you say I support....

I do not see any of those comments as anything more than tangentially relevant this discussion. The discussion of the pharmaceutical industry is a whole other and very deep discussion in and of itself.

You just seem to have a bee in your bonnet about ganja and will support it no matter what anybody says. I can't believe that an intelligent person would dismiss scientific evidence and accept hearsay and urban myths.

but yet she dismiss scientific evidence that supports the good about ganja